1 00:02:57,460 --> 00:02:53,550 [Music] 2 00:03:01,150 --> 00:02:57,470 this hope radio for the masses Atlanta 3 00:03:03,130 --> 00:03:01,160 between July 8 1947 we're on the airport 4 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:03,140 with open arms and applying there - 5 00:03:08,140 --> 00:03:05,209 found and is now in the possession of 6 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:08,150 the RA the game is rigged changed the 7 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:10,250 game 8 00:03:17,710 --> 00:03:13,370 I occasionally think how quickly our 9 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:17,720 differences worldwide would vanish if we 10 00:03:23,530 --> 00:03:20,329 were facing an alien threat from outside 11 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:26,070 [Applause] 12 00:03:31,770 --> 00:03:28,810 this is painted black with your host 13 00:03:34,980 --> 00:03:31,780 Jimmy church on the game-changer Radio 14 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:34,990 Network and K GRA the global radio 15 00:03:47,650 --> 00:03:43,950 I need your help to get to the year 1980 16 00:03:49,810 --> 00:03:47,660 [Music] 17 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:49,820 you're listening to fade to black with 18 00:04:00,530 --> 00:03:52,770 Jimmy judge on the game changing Network 19 00:04:00,540 --> 00:04:07,820 good evening fade to black 20 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:13,300 misspoke radio so 21 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:20,680 math says say man today is Monday April 22 00:04:26,930 --> 00:04:25,080 20th 2020 23 00:04:27,630 --> 00:04:26,940 [Music] 24 00:04:30,730 --> 00:04:27,640 [Applause] 25 00:04:35,270 --> 00:04:30,740 [Music] 26 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:35,280 111 days into the new year only 265 days 27 00:04:44,690 --> 00:04:40,730 left that's right it's happy 4/20 day 28 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:44,700 there you go you potheads we are live 29 00:04:48,610 --> 00:04:46,410 from a bunker somewhere in the middle of 30 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:48,620 beautiful downtown Burbank California 31 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:50,730 and I would like to welcome everybody 32 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:52,230 listening all around the world all 33 00:04:57,410 --> 00:04:55,410 across the United States hither and 34 00:04:59,500 --> 00:04:57,420 thither to and fro back and forth up and 35 00:05:01,149 --> 00:04:59,510 down east and west north and south 36 00:05:04,780 --> 00:05:01,159 [Music] 37 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:07,960 good sis fade to black 4k JCR the 38 00:05:13,810 --> 00:05:10,400 game-changer network in kg are a the 39 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:13,820 planets are meals Jimmy Church 40 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:15,860 what is cracking everybody how you do it 41 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:21,440 it's Monday April 20th you know that 42 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:25,070 means you know out all of you all of you 43 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:27,380 pot heads right now I know it's your 44 00:05:32,350 --> 00:05:27,910 father 45 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:35,619 whole stem yeah I know what a full stem 46 00:05:55,290 --> 00:05:48,500 is they still call them that man you can 47 00:05:59,170 --> 00:05:55,300 smell it badi just walk outside for 48 00:06:04,600 --> 00:05:59,180 twenty day and you know now all those 49 00:06:11,469 --> 00:06:04,610 years all of those years of repression 50 00:06:13,149 --> 00:06:11,479 from the man and today where I think is 51 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:13,159 it possible to still get arrested 52 00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:14,990 somewhere in the United States for pot I 53 00:06:20,559 --> 00:06:17,360 mean even if it's still illegal what I 54 00:06:22,779 --> 00:06:20,569 mean with a cop really you know you got 55 00:06:26,379 --> 00:06:22,789 a joint you got about you whatever you 56 00:06:28,899 --> 00:06:26,389 know would they still arrest you you 57 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:28,909 know maybe take it from you I don't know 58 00:06:33,939 --> 00:06:31,849 I don't know but they still so and my 59 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:33,949 point is like here in California where 60 00:06:38,140 --> 00:06:36,409 pot you trip over pot in the streets now 61 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:38,150 pot is everywhere it's just everywhere 62 00:06:44,110 --> 00:06:40,810 whatever nobody nobody cares 63 00:06:47,850 --> 00:06:44,120 so does that take the rebel portion out 64 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:47,860 of it you know 4:20 day let's rebel 65 00:06:59,920 --> 00:06:54,889 against the man right it's legal nobody 66 00:07:02,740 --> 00:06:59,930 cares anymore oh man it's so funny well 67 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:02,750 we made it we got here happy 4/20 day 68 00:07:07,059 --> 00:07:05,750 everybody and go ahead go ahead go ahead 69 00:07:10,450 --> 00:07:07,069 go ahead 70 00:07:14,529 --> 00:07:10,460 alright oh man 71 00:07:16,209 --> 00:07:14,539 you know what I'm gonna tell a story no 72 00:07:19,899 --> 00:07:16,219 I'm not gonna tell a story I was gonna 73 00:07:22,119 --> 00:07:19,909 tell I was gonna tell a pot story yeah 74 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:22,129 I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it 75 00:07:27,189 --> 00:07:23,210 I'll do it some other time 76 00:07:30,329 --> 00:07:27,199 I'll tell it freely at another time but 77 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:30,339 I got it you know it makes you wonder 78 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:33,110 because we all know what pot smells like 79 00:07:41,129 --> 00:07:37,370 right so if you go back in time go back 80 00:07:44,309 --> 00:07:41,139 twenty or thirty years when you thought 81 00:07:45,629 --> 00:07:44,319 that you were getting away with it right 82 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:45,639 around you 83 00:07:52,020 --> 00:07:48,310 boss maybe your teachers your family 84 00:07:57,019 --> 00:07:52,030 your mom your dad and he thought you 85 00:08:01,080 --> 00:07:57,029 were being [\h__\h] you did everybody knew I 86 00:08:03,239 --> 00:08:01,090 mean how could you right right but you 87 00:08:05,459 --> 00:08:03,249 thought you were getting away with it 88 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:05,469 you were being slick and no because 89 00:08:09,149 --> 00:08:07,870 nobody said anything to you you thought 90 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:09,159 that you were getting away with it and 91 00:08:17,339 --> 00:08:14,710 you weren't you smelled like pot you can 92 00:08:22,499 --> 00:08:17,349 smell somebody somebody from down the 93 00:08:24,929 --> 00:08:22,509 hall in school at an office you walk 94 00:08:27,629 --> 00:08:24,939 into the house right 95 00:08:29,219 --> 00:08:27,639 15 years old 16 years old and you went 96 00:08:30,990 --> 00:08:29,229 straight up to your bedroom your parents 97 00:08:36,649 --> 00:08:31,000 are downstairs in the family room 98 00:08:40,649 --> 00:08:36,659 watching TV they smelled you they did it 99 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:40,659 if your mom's pot free smoke-free house 100 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:45,250 right vacuumed every day clean you walk 101 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:48,430 in smelling like weed all right 102 00:08:56,340 --> 00:08:51,730 anyway I mean your office you know you 103 00:08:58,829 --> 00:08:56,350 work in a restaurant retail soap odd 104 00:09:02,830 --> 00:08:58,839 smell until you walked in the room after 105 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:02,840 your lunch break yeah everybody knew 106 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:05,730 [Laughter] 107 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:08,110 barbecue chicken that's what I think it 108 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:10,920 smells like no weed smells like weed 109 00:09:17,340 --> 00:09:14,769 yeah you convince somebody that if you 110 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:17,350 want alright let's get straight to it 111 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:20,980 tonight is this week this is what I 112 00:09:27,449 --> 00:09:24,250 dubbed it outside of fade to black I 113 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:27,459 mean around our circle I said this week 114 00:09:34,290 --> 00:09:30,940 is brain week we're gonna do brain week 115 00:09:37,319 --> 00:09:34,300 we're gonna bring on the big brains to 116 00:09:41,130 --> 00:09:37,329 fade to black and we are doing just that 117 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:41,140 with tonight Isaac Arthur is here we're 118 00:09:46,530 --> 00:09:42,610 going to be talking about artificial 119 00:09:49,230 --> 00:09:46,540 intelligence and more on all of that in 120 00:09:50,939 --> 00:09:49,240 just a bit but our Isaac Arthur is here 121 00:09:55,139 --> 00:09:50,949 tonight really looking forward to that 122 00:09:58,079 --> 00:09:55,149 tomorrow night dr. Manu saves by day is 123 00:09:58,860 --> 00:09:58,089 here now we are going to be talking 124 00:10:02,190 --> 00:09:58,870 tomorrow 125 00:10:05,340 --> 00:10:02,200 with my new about ancient Egypt Tech and 126 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:05,350 their high technology and and who and 127 00:10:09,030 --> 00:10:07,450 went and why were the pyramids built so 128 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:09,040 we're gonna do that tomorrow night 129 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:13,450 Wednesday night Adam Curry is here we're 130 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:14,800 gonna be talking about physics and 131 00:10:21,150 --> 00:10:17,410 entanglement and communication all of my 132 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:21,160 favorite subjects this week every single 133 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:23,260 night with the biggest brains that we 134 00:10:27,570 --> 00:10:25,210 could bring to you so it's big brain 135 00:10:30,210 --> 00:10:27,580 week here on fade to black Thursday 136 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:30,220 night is another fader night with your 137 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:32,980 host me with the small brain but you 138 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:36,400 guys are here to help me make my brain 139 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:41,260 grow and more on that in just a bit 140 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:45,370 all right Kevin Smith Kevin Smith goes 141 00:10:48,930 --> 00:10:48,490 with pot that's a 420 dude right all 142 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:48,940 right 143 00:10:56,130 --> 00:10:53,980 Silent Bob yeah Jay there you go that's 144 00:11:02,340 --> 00:10:56,140 a good gift right there saw the new 145 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:02,350 movie actually I'm gonna say this the 146 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:04,300 new movie is pretty good and it was a 147 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:07,990 pretty good ending and I was mmm I 148 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:10,240 watched you just because it was Jay and 149 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:13,150 Silent Bob all right but it wasn't that 150 00:11:16,950 --> 00:11:15,370 bad it really wasn't it wasn't that bad 151 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:16,960 wasn't that bad so if you haven't seen 152 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:21,910 it check it out okay where was I at Oh a 153 00:11:31,770 --> 00:11:26,410 little comment I posted today about a 154 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:31,780 new show put out by the great country to 155 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:34,380 our North Canada it's called Kim's 156 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:38,440 convenience and if you haven't seen it 157 00:11:42,990 --> 00:11:41,170 somebody please post it up in in Twitter 158 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:43,000 I didn't hit Twitter with it I posted it 159 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:45,040 up over Facebook earlier today only just 160 00:11:53,370 --> 00:11:50,380 because and the show is great it's great 161 00:11:55,170 --> 00:11:53,380 and and Rita said to me today I said did 162 00:11:57,660 --> 00:11:55,180 you see my poster she goes yeah yeah 163 00:12:02,850 --> 00:11:57,670 your guilty pleasure I said yeah she 164 00:12:07,050 --> 00:12:02,860 goes look how did she phrase it she said 165 00:12:11,550 --> 00:12:07,060 something like the great literature of 166 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:11,560 the past has always been about life and 167 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:12,930 that's what 168 00:12:18,889 --> 00:12:14,790 Kym's convenience is about it's about 169 00:12:21,769 --> 00:12:18,899 life and the dad upper Paul is is one of 170 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:21,779 the funniest funniest guys that I have 171 00:12:26,630 --> 00:12:24,180 seen come along in a long time so check 172 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:26,640 out Kim's convenience if you haven't 173 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:28,320 seen it yet you're gonna do what I did 174 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:31,140 and Rita which is you're just gonna 175 00:12:37,699 --> 00:12:35,120 binge it each episode is like 20 minutes 176 00:12:39,769 --> 00:12:37,709 something like that 20 22 minutes so you 177 00:12:41,750 --> 00:12:39,779 can just go straight through it but it 178 00:12:44,570 --> 00:12:41,760 is a really good series so I posted that 179 00:12:47,750 --> 00:12:44,580 up to date Kim's convenience dude check 180 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:47,760 it out follow me on twitter @jj do start 181 00:12:51,769 --> 00:12:49,920 there at JT Rydia I have Twitter right 182 00:12:54,769 --> 00:12:51,779 now right in front of me if I could move 183 00:12:57,079 --> 00:12:54,779 the camera you would see Twitter right 184 00:12:59,300 --> 00:12:57,089 here we have to chatrooms one right here 185 00:13:00,680 --> 00:12:59,310 in front if I can move the camera you 186 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:00,690 would see it it's right here on this not 187 00:13:07,940 --> 00:13:03,000 this could be this one right here right 188 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:07,950 there all right that's it Spreaker kg ra 189 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:10,770 hello to everybody over on YouTube you 190 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:12,690 guys are amazing Facebook you guys are 191 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:14,310 amazing Twitter you guys are amazing 192 00:13:21,260 --> 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let's get to the 249 00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:47,780 breaking news it was all over the media 250 00:15:57,130 --> 00:15:53,720 today oil prices have plunged falling 251 00:16:02,410 --> 00:15:57,140 below zero before he asked how is that 252 00:16:06,810 --> 00:16:02,420 possible it was trading at minus forty 253 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:06,820 dollars and 32 cents a barrel what 254 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:09,650 that's the lowest level since the New 255 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:13,970 York futures market oil futures trading 256 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:18,530 opened in 1983 now it recovered slice 257 00:16:26,250 --> 00:16:24,560 Lee is slightly to minus 18.65 cents a 258 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:26,260 barrel I don't even know what that means 259 00:16:32,410 --> 00:16:29,810 let's West Texas Intermediate oil prices 260 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:32,420 fell to two dollars and 24 cents a 261 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:34,910 barrel today reaching a new low for the 262 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:37,010 US benchmark as the as the market 263 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:39,290 continued to drop throughout the day 264 00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:41,680 vanishing demand due to Chronos 265 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:44,240 coronavirus related lockdowns and travel 266 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:46,610 restrictions and the glut of supply have 267 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:48,529 combined to heavily tank the US 268 00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,050 benchmark fuel as price has dropped from 269 00:16:56,199 --> 00:16:53,199 eighteen dollars and 27 cents a barrel 270 00:16:59,290 --> 00:16:56,209 yesterday to below three dollars a 271 00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,300 barrel today down 85 percent from the 272 00:17:06,189 --> 00:17:01,360 previous day's clothes and then 273 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:06,199 continued downward to below zero I don't 274 00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:08,870 know how that works I don't know I I 275 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:12,260 mean I don't know I don't know are they 276 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,809 going to pay you to pick up the oil is 277 00:17:22,289 --> 00:17:19,280 this when you pull up with the tanker 278 00:17:25,150 --> 00:17:22,299 truck and go you know what fill her up 279 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:25,160 alright and then you they cut you a 280 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:26,620 check 281 00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:29,390 split I don't know I don't know what 282 00:17:34,090 --> 00:17:29,870 that means 283 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:34,100 Shake Shack is returning ten million 284 00:17:38,260 --> 00:17:36,710 dollars that they borrowed from the 285 00:17:40,330 --> 00:17:38,270 United States government under an 286 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:40,340 emergency program that was touted as a 287 00:17:44,530 --> 00:17:42,770 way to help small businesses pay workers 288 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:44,540 and keep their operations running during 289 00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:47,270 the corner virus crisis now Shake Shack 290 00:17:53,169 --> 00:17:50,390 CEO Randy girl Rudy and chairman Danny 291 00:17:55,810 --> 00:17:53,179 Meyer revealed their decision to give 292 00:17:59,169 --> 00:17:55,820 back the funding in an open letter today 293 00:18:01,210 --> 00:17:59,179 saying that other small businesses and 294 00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:01,220 family owned restaurants need the money 295 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:03,740 more than Shake Shack they've got extra 296 00:18:08,770 --> 00:18:06,049 revenue they raise capital they don't 297 00:18:11,649 --> 00:18:08,780 need it other businesses do they gave 298 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:11,659 the ten million dollars back that is 299 00:18:16,270 --> 00:18:13,970 great news hope other companies follow 300 00:18:19,299 --> 00:18:16,280 suit if they can do it now after 301 00:18:21,820 --> 00:18:19,309 announcing that it would hire one 302 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:21,830 hundred and fifty thousand workers by 303 00:18:27,549 --> 00:18:24,830 the end of May Walmart is now adding 304 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:27,559 even more employees to its workforce the 305 00:18:32,770 --> 00:18:29,630 retail giant announced today that it 306 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:32,780 would add another 50,000 associates 307 00:18:39,340 --> 00:18:36,640 bringing its total hiring numbers to 308 00:18:41,470 --> 00:18:39,350 200,000 people positions to be hired 309 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:41,480 include cashiers stalkers and personal 310 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:43,970 shoppers distribution and fulfillment 311 00:18:49,090 --> 00:18:46,130 centers are hiring for filler and picker 312 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:49,100 jobs as well as drivers for Walmart's 313 00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:51,750 truck fleet Walmart is working with 314 00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:53,640 more than 70 companies around the 315 00:18:58,250 --> 00:18:56,240 country that have furloughed employees 316 00:19:01,370 --> 00:18:58,260 seeking help from the restaurant 317 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:01,380 hospitality and retail industries that 318 00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,140 is also some more good news now workers 319 00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:06,960 at a Pennsylvania manufacturing plant 320 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:09,480 got to clock out and go home for the 321 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:12,510 first time in almost a month after a 322 00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:14,910 marathon effort to make material needed 323 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:16,980 for personal protective medical 324 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:19,380 equipment more than 40 employees 325 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:23,610 volunteered to spend 28 days at the 326 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:26,910 brass CIM America plant in Marcus Hook 327 00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:29,850 near Philadelphia to make polypropylene 328 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:33,480 a raw material needed to make ending 329 00:19:40,370 --> 00:19:35,910 medical gowns and other protective gear 330 00:19:42,730 --> 00:19:40,380 they went home finally yesterday the 331 00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:42,740 company gave them an increase in wages 332 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:46,460 provided beds kitchens groceries 333 00:19:53,780 --> 00:19:50,700 internet access and iPads they'll get a 334 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:53,790 week off before returning back to their 335 00:20:00,320 --> 00:19:56,400 normal shifts and I want to thank 336 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:00,330 everybody there at the brass CIM america 337 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:05,280 plant that is absolutely heroic 28 days 338 00:20:10,970 --> 00:20:08,730 in lockdown at the place where you work 339 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:10,980 they were doing 12-hour shifts by the 340 00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:15,210 way 12 hours on hit the cot out of the 341 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:18,390 cot 12 hours on and they did that for 28 342 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:20,460 straight days absolutely incredible 343 00:20:25,670 --> 00:20:23,790 ok the star works UFOs in an artificial 344 00:20:27,980 --> 00:20:25,680 intelligence conference in Laughlin 345 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:27,990 Nevada November 5th through the 8th is 346 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:32,970 still on go to Starworks 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it's it's still 361 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:15,060 going to be there if it changes we have 362 00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:17,100 another date that we can use in August 363 00:21:22,580 --> 00:21:19,230 we will let you know please go to 364 00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:22,590 disclosure fest dot org for all of your 365 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:25,020 updated information and tomorrow's 366 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:28,710 Tuesday I will be hosting the livestream 367 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:30,510 for disclosure fest so we'll see you 368 00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,100 guys over there let's get the show 369 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:34,620 crackin happy birthday to all I didn't 370 00:21:41,780 --> 00:21:39,030 do oh that's right I meant to go back 371 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:41,790 and hook in and and do myself I didn't 372 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:44,130 do my stuff today because I was doing 373 00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,780 other things and I was writing and Wow 374 00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:51,600 yeah I meant 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Manu who saves Fateh is 381 00:22:17,540 --> 00:22:15,140 gonna be here Wednesday night Adam curry 382 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:17,550 it's gonna be a great week Thursday 383 00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:19,950 night of course is Fator night with open 384 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,200 lines all night long please visit River 385 00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:24,960 moon coffee dot-com get yourself some 386 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:27,390 fade to black blend and our new game 387 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:31,440 changer blend to blend to blends fade to 388 00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:31,770 black 389 00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:36,660 game changer - - alright Tomoko deaf to 390 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:46,590 be blunt yeah well it's like this today 391 00:22:56,570 --> 00:22:53,340 oil prices dropped to well below zero 392 00:23:01,210 --> 00:22:56,580 now although I have been talking about 393 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:01,220 the arrival of this day for over a month 394 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:04,290 not much was made about it in the media 395 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:06,450 I've been talking about our warned 396 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:10,730 everybody this day was going to arrive 397 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,890 nobody wanted to talk about it I did I'm 398 00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:14,880 not 399 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,660 some genius financial analyst I don't 400 00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:21,360 monitor the oil industry I only know 401 00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,790 that when you fill up a cup and it gets 402 00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,620 to the top you got to get to a second 403 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:27,120 cup and eventually you're gonna run out 404 00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:30,210 of cups and that's what happened here we 405 00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:34,200 are full of oil we are full there was 406 00:23:37,790 --> 00:23:35,880 just no way that we could continue to 407 00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:37,800 produce an import oil with nobody's 408 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:40,380 using it everything on this planet is 409 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:42,930 shut down and we would eventually reach 410 00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,410 a point that every tank in every car all 411 00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:49,140 of the oil all the storage facilities 412 00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,420 everything everywhere every gas station 413 00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:53,840 in this country will be full to the brim 414 00:24:01,640 --> 00:23:59,130 that day has arrived that's right there 415 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:01,650 is no place to put the oil including 416 00:24:07,910 --> 00:24:04,170 your car you are not driving anywhere 417 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:07,920 nobody is right all of the gas tanks in 418 00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:10,890 America are full I have been at three 419 00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:12,990 quarters of a tank for a month 420 00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:16,500 and the needle has not moved it's the 421 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:18,990 same for everybody trying to understand 422 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:22,890 numbers right and how oil could possibly 423 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:29,690 be worth less than nothing as in zero 424 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:32,850 right that's something that most of us 425 00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:36,210 can't comprehend wrap your head around 426 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:41,580 that so here we are we're all stuck at 427 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:43,890 home right we have way too much free 428 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:47,070 time on our hands and it allows us to 429 00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:48,570 finally be able to think about things 430 00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:50,280 that we normally would never consider 431 00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:57,720 like oil below zero and worthless how is 432 00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:00,780 it possible that something so precious 433 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:04,740 so expensive right that we're running 434 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:07,970 out of it's rare and just a month ago 435 00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:12,990 oil was like reserved to reserve for 436 00:25:18,290 --> 00:25:14,550 people of the world who actually owned a 437 00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:18,300 car privileged the the the privilege 438 00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:20,190 that could fly in a plane and go out of 439 00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,440 vacation right or I had a job that made 440 00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:24,360 you fly in a plane that's privileged 441 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:27,030 right somebody who actually had a job 442 00:25:32,290 --> 00:25:28,730 that's privileged 443 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:32,300 right how can I go from that and turn 444 00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:35,260 into something that nobody cares about 445 00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,160 nobody cares about oil nobody cares 446 00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:41,840 pretty fascinating it's kind of like the 447 00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:44,960 diamond industry I'll do another show on 448 00:25:50,770 --> 00:25:47,270 that but it's numbers like these that I 449 00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:50,780 challenge anybody to apply your brain 450 00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,600 and think about because right now you 451 00:25:59,290 --> 00:25:56,480 have the time there is another number 452 00:26:01,140 --> 00:25:59,300 out there that I think most people don't 453 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:01,150 understand how big it is and that is a 454 00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,410 trillion trillion is used carelessly so 455 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,840 much these days that we've lost sight of 456 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:10,880 truly how big that number really is 457 00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:13,790 people from all parts of societies this 458 00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,860 number so much without actually thinking 459 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:18,080 about what they are saying they use it 460 00:26:26,890 --> 00:26:21,500 freely without an afterthought trillion 461 00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:26,900 is huge a billion is really really big 462 00:26:32,350 --> 00:26:30,500 and a million still matters remember in 463 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:32,360 Austin Powers in that famous quote that 464 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:34,610 we all laughed about right a million 465 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:38,390 dollars remember that that's about how 466 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:41,930 out of touch we are because back in 1997 467 00:26:47,050 --> 00:26:44,090 when we were that out of touch a million 468 00:26:49,630 --> 00:26:47,060 dollars was a lot of money we acted like 469 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:49,640 it wasn't a million dollars today in 470 00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:52,940 2020 would change your life I guarantee 471 00:26:58,510 --> 00:26:56,270 it it's still a lot of money now this is 472 00:27:00,910 --> 00:26:58,520 where I want you to use your newfound a 473 00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:00,920 stay at home free time and think about 474 00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:02,870 these numbers for a minute really absorb 475 00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:05,960 it understand them so the next time you 476 00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:08,480 want to say them out loud or you hear 477 00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:10,790 someone throw them around you'll know 478 00:27:18,010 --> 00:27:13,820 what they or you is talking about 479 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:18,020 because the basics 1 million now to get 480 00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:22,090 to 1 billion you need 1,000 of these 481 00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:25,520 which automatically by default makes 1 482 00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:29,750 billion a huge mind-numbing number just 483 00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:34,070 imagine stacked up 1,000 millions on top 484 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:37,760 of another to the ceiling you see 1 485 00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:40,490 billion is a very big set of digits 486 00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:41,340 doctor 487 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:43,860 you slightly in a conversation that's 488 00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,090 why a million is still king one billion 489 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:51,840 is a large collection of something 1000 490 00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:55,050 million of something but when you make 491 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:58,380 the jump to two billion now we're 492 00:28:02,300 --> 00:27:59,090 talking 493 00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:02,310 remember the stack of 1000 millions to 494 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:06,780 the ceiling double it to billions of 495 00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:10,170 1000 Millions that's insane 496 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:13,830 it's just insane it's something that in 497 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,120 today's conversations they'll use that 498 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:22,320 as a joke at a movie someday now let's 499 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:28,310 move on one trillion one trillion 500 00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:32,610 contains 1000 billion and each billion 501 00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:36,990 has 1,000 million it's when you stack up 502 00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:39,990 these 1000 of these billions that you go 503 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:44,460 from like the ceiling to the hundredth 504 00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:47,750 floor of the building that's a trillion 505 00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:52,590 but it's elementary school math I'm not 506 00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:54,900 I'm not impressing anybody with this 507 00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:58,500 it's nothing complicated it's going back 508 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:00,600 to the basics like this that will help 509 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:02,490 all of us understand how big these 510 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:04,650 numbers really are and start to 511 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,170 appreciate them there is a reason for 512 00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:10,740 all of this right now I tie everything 513 00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:13,230 together I find a way to do it in my 514 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:15,270 stay at home madness into something 515 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:17,970 worth your time something you have a lot 516 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:21,890 of these days right so the last night I 517 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:25,110 heard a physicists say these words quote 518 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:28,890 there are over two trillion galaxies in 519 00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:31,370 the observable universe end quote 520 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:34,940 not the universe the observable universe 521 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:37,860 they are two different things now it's 522 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:40,650 the two trillion number that stopped me 523 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:45,110 in my tracks okay but let's do this a 524 00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:48,810 single galaxy as in one has around 500 525 00:29:54,130 --> 00:29:52,350 billion stars on average 1 million 526 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:54,140 galaxies with 5 527 00:29:58,660 --> 00:29:56,450 hundred billion stars in each is a 528 00:30:02,550 --> 00:29:58,670 number that you cannot wrap your head 529 00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:02,560 around it's impossible I challenge you 530 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:06,700 take that small slice of the universe 531 00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:11,510 times 1000 and you are at a number so 532 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:14,270 huge that it is time to give up on 533 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:16,250 contemplating its impact it's too big 534 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:20,120 you just can't do it and you are only at 535 00:30:27,010 --> 00:30:24,650 1 billion galaxies to rock this number 536 00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:27,020 up to a trillion you are officially 537 00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:29,720 stuck on stupid you can't get there your 538 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:32,150 brain can't handle it as big as a 539 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:35,150 trillion galaxies maybe when you times 540 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:37,510 at times 2 well you arrived at 541 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:40,370 gargantuan digits how many stars is it 542 00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:42,130 well your calculator is not big enough 543 00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:47,480 but it's something like 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 544 00:31:00,580 --> 00:30:57,680 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 stars 545 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:00,590 in the observable universe that's a 1 546 00:31:09,790 --> 00:31:05,410 followed by 24 zeroes is called a 547 00:31:12,490 --> 00:31:09,800 septillion now that number may be a 548 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:12,500 gross underestimate the real number may 549 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:16,850 be 2 septillion now chew on that for a 550 00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:19,310 few minutes but you know what just 551 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:22,550 ponder it give or take a few zeros who's 552 00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:26,240 counting zero is a strange thing it can 553 00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:28,580 make things really large and fascinating 554 00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:31,820 when you string 24 zeroes together and I 555 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:35,030 get that and less than 0 is equally as 556 00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:37,910 significant and mind-numbing like the 557 00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:41,030 cost of a barrel of oil these days soon 558 00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:43,400 maybe you'll be able to pull up to a 559 00:31:49,510 --> 00:31:47,390 pump and get free gas another zero worth 560 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:49,520 pondering that's right 561 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:52,010 this is fade to black I am your 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am your 634 00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:15,649 host Jimmy Church tonight Isaac Arthur 635 00:36:21,579 --> 00:36:18,169 joins us tomorrow night doctor my new 636 00:36:24,819 --> 00:36:21,589 safe spa day is gonna be here Wednesday 637 00:36:26,289 --> 00:36:24,829 night Adam Curry Adam Kerr is going to 638 00:36:29,889 --> 00:36:26,299 be here to talk about physics and 639 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:29,899 entanglement and communication all of 640 00:36:34,749 --> 00:36:31,729 the things that Isaac and I usually talk 641 00:36:37,209 --> 00:36:34,759 about but tonight it's artificial 642 00:36:39,729 --> 00:36:37,219 intelligence we're going to be talking 643 00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:39,739 about its potential impact on every 644 00:36:44,409 --> 00:36:41,689 aspect of our lives and the future of 645 00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:44,419 mankind and of course what is going on 646 00:36:48,429 --> 00:36:45,140 out there 647 00:36:50,739 --> 00:36:48,439 across the universe Isaac is the host of 648 00:36:54,249 --> 00:36:50,749 science and futurism with Isaac Arthur 649 00:36:56,789 --> 00:36:54,259 on YouTube with nearly 500,000 650 00:36:59,229 --> 00:36:56,799 subscribers covering topics like 651 00:37:01,870 --> 00:36:59,239 colonizing the solar system interstellar 652 00:37:03,189 --> 00:37:01,880 travel the Fermi paradox artificial 653 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:03,199 intelligence and other topics 654 00:37:08,169 --> 00:37:05,089 representing the possible future paths 655 00:37:10,209 --> 00:37:08,179 and challenges for Humanity Isaac 656 00:37:12,549 --> 00:37:10,219 received his degree in physics from Kent 657 00:37:15,099 --> 00:37:12,559 State University graduating top of his 658 00:37:16,689 --> 00:37:15,109 class at the age of 20 and remained 659 00:37:18,279 --> 00:37:16,699 there for graduate studies before 660 00:37:20,499 --> 00:37:18,289 joining the United States Army and 661 00:37:22,479 --> 00:37:20,509 serving in Iraq he also worked as a 662 00:37:24,989 --> 00:37:22,489 civilian researcher at the Air Force 663 00:37:28,809 --> 00:37:24,999 Institute of Technology in Dayton Ohio 664 00:37:32,259 --> 00:37:28,819 wright-patterson UFO hanger 18 after the 665 00:37:33,759 --> 00:37:32,269 military he returned home to Ohio serves 666 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:33,769 as the chairman of the board of 667 00:37:38,649 --> 00:37:36,169 elections for his area when not working 668 00:37:41,529 --> 00:37:38,659 on his channel his website of course is 669 00:37:42,459 --> 00:37:41,539 Isaac Arthur dotnet like to welcome back 670 00:37:45,729 --> 00:37:42,469 to fade to black 671 00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,739 Isaac Arthur Isaac congratulations man 672 00:37:51,429 --> 00:37:48,079 let's just start right there thanks 673 00:37:53,819 --> 00:37:51,439 Jimmy for two things you don't even know 674 00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:53,829 what I'm congratulating you for yet 675 00:38:03,099 --> 00:37:59,359 there's a limited options first things 676 00:38:06,579 --> 00:38:03,109 first let's you're getting married this 677 00:38:09,699 --> 00:38:06,589 Saturday congratulations and and all the 678 00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:09,709 best but one has to ask how you're 679 00:38:15,819 --> 00:38:12,759 pulling off a wedding while in lockdown 680 00:38:17,859 --> 00:38:15,829 well fortunately in Ohio the governor 681 00:38:20,169 --> 00:38:17,869 has given exemption for weddings and 682 00:38:21,699 --> 00:38:20,179 funerals to the normal limitations but 683 00:38:23,169 --> 00:38:21,709 we're also going to be live-streaming 684 00:38:24,970 --> 00:38:23,179 the thing and so there will be very few 685 00:38:27,099 --> 00:38:24,980 people in the actual church even though 686 00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:27,109 will allow to do more Westerby I try to 687 00:38:31,450 --> 00:38:29,390 keep as close the social limitations as 688 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:31,460 possible but will be alive shoe your 689 00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:34,250 thing and hopefully that will work out 690 00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:38,060 well so does this mean and this is where 691 00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,760 I get to insert them the joke right I 692 00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:43,280 mean you left it wide open for some good 693 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:45,350 humor so let's let's actually do that 694 00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,410 does this include social distancing uh I 695 00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:52,880 would say the live streaming of weddings 696 00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:54,260 is probably something we can expect to 697 00:38:58,660 --> 00:38:56,270 see happy in the near future anyway but 698 00:39:01,210 --> 00:38:58,670 I suspect this will probably become much 699 00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:01,220 more common no I mean I mean your guests 700 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,590 are your guests gonna be social 701 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:06,320 distancing as best as we can yeah 702 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:08,510 so that means mostly low setting so 703 00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:09,890 there will be a lot of folks are not 704 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,660 gonna be able to come anyway we're 705 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:13,280 guessing that will probably be within 706 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:14,510 the six foot distance 707 00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:23,090 sothey so the in-laws family is the 708 00:39:28,330 --> 00:39:25,400 eldest of seven right all right 709 00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:28,340 everybody's gonna be six feet apart this 710 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:31,100 is that okay you got it I'm gonna watch 711 00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:33,770 the live stream this is going to be 712 00:39:40,540 --> 00:39:38,030 great and a congratulations man and no 713 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:40,550 interest in post pushing the date back 714 00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:44,960 you was this date set before all of this 715 00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:46,820 world has brought in for quite some time 716 00:39:51,070 --> 00:39:49,580 it was very specific occasion and that 717 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:51,080 post because we all forced free time 718 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:53,210 after the elections but those ends up 719 00:40:00,040 --> 00:39:56,690 being delayed in Ohio too but also fun 720 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:00,050 right right and well congratulations man 721 00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:02,450 I think that's fantastic you you had 722 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:05,030 told me I'm not too sure exactly when it 723 00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,890 was but it was a few months ago said 724 00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:08,240 Jimmy I'm getting married it was like 725 00:40:12,970 --> 00:40:10,790 I'll congratulate and here we are 726 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:12,980 a week before the wedding five days 727 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:13,790 before the wedding 728 00:40:18,430 --> 00:40:16,970 Iran fade to black and and thank you 729 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:18,440 it's an honor and a privilege to have 730 00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:21,290 the groom to be on this program and I 731 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:23,060 hope your bride-to-be is understanding 732 00:40:27,310 --> 00:40:24,770 that you know it's fade to black and you 733 00:40:30,750 --> 00:40:27,320 got to do what you got to do right she's 734 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:30,760 very steady public speaking 735 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:35,930 now the second congratulations is also a 736 00:40:42,279 --> 00:40:38,390 strange one because 737 00:40:43,929 --> 00:40:42,289 the dates of things and the announcement 738 00:40:47,069 --> 00:40:43,939 went out and the press release went out 739 00:40:50,109 --> 00:40:47,079 that the National Space Society the NSS 740 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:50,119 named you as the recipient of their 741 00:40:56,169 --> 00:40:52,609 space pioneer award for education via 742 00:40:58,179 --> 00:40:56,179 mass media and for your YouTube channel 743 00:41:01,779 --> 00:40:58,189 science and futurism with Isaac Arthur 744 00:41:03,989 --> 00:41:01,789 now the award was to be presented to you 745 00:41:06,009 --> 00:41:03,999 at the Society's 39th annual 746 00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:06,019 international space development 747 00:41:13,979 --> 00:41:09,109 conference in Dallas which was supposed 748 00:41:16,419 --> 00:41:13,989 to be held on May 30th 2020 749 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,429 congratulations on the award are you 750 00:41:19,989 --> 00:41:18,319 still gonna receive it now or is this 751 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:19,999 going to be done via livestream 752 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:23,209 are they Vaux points some remote options 753 00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:24,529 for it but I think that the moment 754 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:26,209 they're just playing to shift everything 755 00:41:31,089 --> 00:41:28,729 to their January confidence if memory 756 00:41:32,769 --> 00:41:31,099 saws though that don't don't quote me on 757 00:41:34,029 --> 00:41:32,779 the date for that one the awards still 758 00:41:35,799 --> 00:41:34,039 been awarded but they're just gonna try 759 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:35,809 to push it back because usually when we 760 00:41:39,999 --> 00:41:37,130 do these things it's done with like a 761 00:41:41,469 --> 00:41:40,009 formal presentation a top two and lots 762 00:41:43,449 --> 00:41:41,479 of folks presenting papers and things 763 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:43,459 like that so I think I was going to be 764 00:41:47,769 --> 00:41:45,170 giving a talk down there too so that 765 00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:47,779 there's also castle yeah it's pretty 766 00:41:52,959 --> 00:41:49,939 weird how life has been put on hold and 767 00:41:54,759 --> 00:41:52,969 all of our conferences for the year 768 00:41:57,999 --> 00:41:54,769 we've still got two conferences that are 769 00:42:01,749 --> 00:41:58,009 still scheduled to go on later on in the 770 00:42:03,489 --> 00:42:01,759 year one in the back half of June here 771 00:42:06,489 --> 00:42:03,499 in Los Angeles and the other one is in 772 00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:06,499 November but everything else you know we 773 00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:09,049 were supposed to be in England that you 774 00:42:13,959 --> 00:42:11,209 know everything this year has been 775 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:13,969 canceled and it's a strange feeling for 776 00:42:20,169 --> 00:42:17,410 us because it's a way for us to get out 777 00:42:22,989 --> 00:42:20,179 it's a mini vacation for us even though 778 00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:22,999 we're working and I'm speaking in things 779 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:25,400 but we get to hang out with our with the 780 00:42:30,579 --> 00:42:28,249 fans and and and take a break from the 781 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:30,589 action and we don't have that word 782 00:42:34,179 --> 00:42:32,660 lockdown just like everybody else and 783 00:42:37,059 --> 00:42:34,189 it's it's weird how you make 784 00:42:40,569 --> 00:42:37,069 preparations for an entire year and now 785 00:42:42,609 --> 00:42:40,579 everything is pushed back to 2021 it's 786 00:42:44,709 --> 00:42:42,619 just absolutely insane but 787 00:42:47,169 --> 00:42:44,719 congratulations on both fronts my friend 788 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:47,179 I think that's very very cool well thank 789 00:42:51,219 --> 00:42:49,849 you very much for me it's it is one that 790 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:51,229 seems a lot of these conferences getting 791 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:52,010 put now to be 792 00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:53,810 there's a few compasses I'm glad or into 793 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:55,820 Pepe mr. Shiro but there's a lot of 794 00:42:58,660 --> 00:42:57,170 times was just really nice go out and 795 00:43:00,520 --> 00:42:58,670 see everybody me do buddy in the field 796 00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:00,530 and they know just so many those life 797 00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:01,880 events they're on hold right now and I 798 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:04,280 think you know for you I we mostly walk 799 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:06,170 at home or you know more isolated to 800 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:07,609 begin with it's more remote to begin 801 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:09,770 with so it's maybe a little easier on us 802 00:43:13,540 --> 00:43:10,910 but I think a lot of folks starting to 803 00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:13,550 ghost or crazy and it is interesting 804 00:43:15,849 --> 00:43:14,780 because it's not really what we always 805 00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:15,859 anticipate with a lot of these 806 00:43:18,970 --> 00:43:17,240 circumstances and we see them like the 807 00:43:21,340 --> 00:43:18,980 Hollywood presentation of a plague you 808 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:21,350 know yeah totally totally there's no 809 00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:23,570 question about that it does feel like I 810 00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:26,390 would normally say a bad b-movie 811 00:43:33,609 --> 00:43:29,900 but you know come to life but to see it 812 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:33,619 play out like this I mean for real it 813 00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:37,609 still hasn't sunk in for me it really 814 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:42,680 hasn't it is so dramatic and and huge in 815 00:43:48,430 --> 00:43:45,490 its implication it's not it's not like 816 00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:48,440 Chernobyl or Fukushima you know these 817 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:51,980 isolated that affects the world but it 818 00:43:57,550 --> 00:43:54,650 doesn't affect right there's nothing 819 00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:57,560 direct this is different everybody on 820 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:00,140 this planet now has been touched one way 821 00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:02,690 or another because of this virus whether 822 00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:05,180 it's the economy your job maybe you've 823 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:07,070 lost a loved one or somebody that you 824 00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:09,170 know or a co-worker maybe he got sick 825 00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:11,420 yourself but no matter what every 826 00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,700 country on the planet has been touched 827 00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,400 by this it's a it couldn't have been 828 00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:19,520 written this way for Hollywood now 829 00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:21,350 there's a lot of occasions where things 830 00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,700 in real life they say would never 831 00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:24,560 actually happen as TV show or Hollywood 832 00:44:26,349 --> 00:44:26,030 because the audience would never believe 833 00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:26,359 it 834 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:30,140 favor of this usually we see this in 835 00:44:34,810 --> 00:44:32,210 fiction you know it's it's all madness 836 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:34,820 and riots everyone's handled it really 837 00:44:38,170 --> 00:44:36,890 well this fall all right I say that 838 00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,180 every decision has been perfect or that 839 00:44:42,670 --> 00:44:40,880 one's doing their ideal on this but you 840 00:44:44,830 --> 00:44:42,680 know you don't see very many incidents 841 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:44,840 of people just going crazy or anything 842 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:47,330 like just brutally oppressive and in the 843 00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:50,530 traditional sense we see on TV so it's I 844 00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:52,670 hesitate to say this is the best handled 845 00:44:58,210 --> 00:44:56,420 plague or pandemic ever but it's it 846 00:45:04,690 --> 00:44:58,220 could be being ahead with much much more 847 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:04,700 I saw a mean the other day our our we 848 00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:05,570 thought 849 00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,540 the pandemic would be like this and it 850 00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,880 was like you know a shot from a movie 851 00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:13,040 Armageddon or whatever you know pushing 852 00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,350 it so yeah right pushing a shopping cart 853 00:45:18,580 --> 00:45:16,880 up the road you know with burnt 854 00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:18,590 buildings in the background and stuff 855 00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:20,750 and then and then the second half of the 856 00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:23,360 meme was but we got this and it's some 857 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:26,350 guy playing video games on his couch 858 00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,770 toilet paper at his feet and and I just 859 00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:32,000 thought well that's that's pretty 860 00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:35,540 accurate you know this isn't quite what 861 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:38,180 we expected it's playing out a little 862 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:39,410 bit differently hopefully we're gonna 863 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,630 get out in front of this soon and we can 864 00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:43,040 start getting out of the house which 865 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:47,420 brings me to the show tonight in that I 866 00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,130 have been forced into thinking about 867 00:45:57,970 --> 00:45:55,040 things that I normally wouldn't apply a 868 00:46:01,180 --> 00:45:57,980 lot of time to because now we have time 869 00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:01,190 and I'm just thinking about computers 870 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:04,550 and artificial intelligence and and 871 00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:07,370 quantum theory and quantum computers and 872 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:10,580 numbers I've just been thinking about 873 00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:13,130 the strangest things lately that I 874 00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:14,390 haven't done before 875 00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,640 have you changed course with with your 876 00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:22,160 YouTube content are you thinking about 877 00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:24,500 things that you never really thought you 878 00:46:28,510 --> 00:46:25,720 would cover before 879 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:28,520 truth be told no I usually write the 880 00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:30,290 scripts for the episodes out a few 881 00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:31,700 months in advance and I'm getting a 882 00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,840 little bit further ahead trying to 883 00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:34,160 prepare for the wedding and have some 884 00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:36,380 free time and so far I've books II had 885 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:38,030 to go back and up to a couple episodes 886 00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:40,370 for the a Ord simply because the content 887 00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:41,750 hit a little too close to home on a 888 00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:43,670 field of predictions not they were super 889 00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,870 accurate if I knew they were you 890 00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:46,400 basically everything would move all 891 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:47,870 around the virus when people listened to 892 00:46:52,540 --> 00:46:50,450 him and like we did one recently that 893 00:46:54,250 --> 00:46:52,550 was discussing how you know in the next 894 00:46:55,870 --> 00:46:54,260 decade or so you expect see most people 895 00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:55,880 switch over to gain their groceries arm 896 00:46:59,140 --> 00:46:58,370 to live with them and how you probably 897 00:47:01,180 --> 00:46:59,150 see a lot more 898 00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:01,190 sanitization protocols in people's 899 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:03,110 day-to-day life and you start seeing 900 00:47:07,390 --> 00:47:05,290 like apps for phones that were used for 901 00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,400 controlling something like the flu so 902 00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:09,200 that if somebody got it you know they 903 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:11,540 could pin your numbers up and I really 904 00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:12,650 was in that area could check their own 905 00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:14,180 tracking data and say oh I was at that 906 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,670 same place at the same time I should you 907 00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,480 know drink some water go see the doctor 908 00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:20,940 and those little things that I thought 909 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:22,680 that would be a decade or two off and I 910 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:24,390 think still most them would be they're 911 00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,130 gonna get accelerated now and they hit a 912 00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:28,619 lot closer to home but at the same time 913 00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:29,940 I shouldn't say the content was really 914 00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:31,470 predicting these things it's more that 915 00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,140 it has some relevancy that is viewed 916 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:35,280 from the corn light and everything is 917 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:37,290 being viewed from the neo of the 918 00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,970 telescope of this Marvis at the moment 919 00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:41,339 that a lot of kind of hit they all but 920 00:47:44,299 --> 00:47:43,020 tribute over try to keep the show a 921 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:44,309 little bit away from the vive it's just 922 00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:47,250 because you need some place to get away 923 00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:50,369 from it and the show is already it's so 924 00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:51,960 much on The Escapist side and the fall 925 00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:53,819 future or that it feels like we should 926 00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,990 have been one of those places knew that 927 00:47:58,819 --> 00:47:57,119 so I'll try to keep the show fairly away 928 00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:58,829 from the value of us yeah I've been 929 00:48:02,059 --> 00:48:00,359 doing the same thing here we haven't 930 00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:02,069 talked about coronavirus now for almost 931 00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:06,260 three weeks on the show only because 932 00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,480 it's too easy to fall into that trap 933 00:48:14,299 --> 00:48:12,000 number one number two I think it 934 00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:14,309 promotes fear no matter how you try to 935 00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,200 cover it you're forcing people to think 936 00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:18,420 about it and the other part is there's 937 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,430 plenty of coverage out there if somebody 938 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:23,160 really needs right they be coronavirus 939 00:48:29,180 --> 00:48:26,970 anything you can head out and find it 940 00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:29,190 and I didn't want to be part of it here 941 00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:31,940 and I didn't want it to start to steer 942 00:48:38,359 --> 00:48:35,400 what we normally do on this show so it 943 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:38,369 just went straight back and just started 944 00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,650 doing the normal shows I took all of the 945 00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:42,780 corner of virus coverage out of it but 946 00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:44,220 that's not ignoring it's just you know 947 00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:46,020 giving people a space to not have it 948 00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:48,630 shoved in a face non-stop at the same 949 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:50,790 time it's also that recognition that it 950 00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,200 doesn't matter how strong willed you all 951 00:48:56,299 --> 00:48:54,180 you know if you always thinking about 952 00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:56,309 something it's gonna just stop breaking 953 00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,900 it down will paralyze yeah I have and 954 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:02,819 here we are talking about coral reefs 955 00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:08,490 right but is this I have I have 956 00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:11,730 difficulty I'm sure you must go through 957 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:13,859 this too I have difficulty turning off 958 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:17,250 my brain and I do I have a hard time 959 00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:20,690 sleeping and if I sleep in total silence 960 00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,470 my brain goes off it not shuts off it 961 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:28,380 goes off thinking I can't stop thinking 962 00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:31,569 I can't stop thinking the only way 963 00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,420 fall asleep is if I listen to science 964 00:49:40,439 --> 00:49:37,599 and futurism with Isaac Arthur I've got 965 00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:40,449 to I've got to go in that direction 966 00:49:46,709 --> 00:49:43,900 right and listen to something I don't 967 00:49:49,529 --> 00:49:46,719 care if it's audible it's a book it's 968 00:49:52,469 --> 00:49:49,539 it's a conference it's it's a lecture 969 00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:52,479 but I have to do that to shut my brain 970 00:49:56,939 --> 00:49:54,910 down otherwise I'm thinking about 971 00:49:59,699 --> 00:49:56,949 coronavirus and the implications of the 972 00:50:01,170 --> 00:49:59,709 future of the planet and I'll I'll stay 973 00:50:03,059 --> 00:50:01,180 awake for eight or ten hours at a 974 00:50:04,709 --> 00:50:03,069 stretch I can't do that and I don't want 975 00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,719 as I looking at science fiction and you 976 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:06,400 know fantasy novels as they're far away 977 00:50:09,809 --> 00:50:08,170 from corn events and they let your mind 978 00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,819 drift off so I tend to fall asleep to 979 00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:11,680 audiobooks oh time to and then back of 980 00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:12,940 the day he's falsely cousin to coast to 981 00:50:16,979 --> 00:50:14,499 coast am a lot back for they a lot of 982 00:50:19,319 --> 00:50:16,989 audiobooks right right nothing will put 983 00:50:21,449 --> 00:50:19,329 you to sleep like my voice in the middle 984 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:21,459 of the night guaranteed 985 00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:24,729 yeah I've listened to all of arthur c 986 00:50:34,049 --> 00:50:30,880 clarke books in inaudible i swear i'm 987 00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:34,059 good for like five minutes I'm out I'm 988 00:50:37,949 --> 00:50:36,190 out and I'm just had to pick ones I'm 989 00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:37,959 very fond of a list of over and over 990 00:50:43,469 --> 00:50:39,640 again and I all we ever seem to get 991 00:50:45,989 --> 00:50:43,479 through Chapter one of those so I'm not 992 00:50:47,969 --> 00:50:45,999 the only one I'm not the only one 993 00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,979 like that's just folks saying you know I 994 00:50:51,509 --> 00:50:49,359 fall asleep listen to your show all the 995 00:50:54,329 --> 00:50:51,519 time and I hope it didn't so bad yeah 996 00:50:57,029 --> 00:50:54,339 yeah I I love it when people say that to 997 00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:57,039 me because I done it a million times 998 00:51:07,289 --> 00:51:02,319 it's how I fall asleep so now staying on 999 00:51:09,569 --> 00:51:07,299 this I have done an awful lot of 1000 00:51:12,989 --> 00:51:09,579 research especially over the last two 1001 00:51:17,249 --> 00:51:12,999 years on artificial intelligence and I'm 1002 00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:17,259 gonna start here there are two paths you 1003 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:20,049 can go with artificial intelligence you 1004 00:51:25,739 --> 00:51:21,880 can go the scare the crap out of 1005 00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:25,749 yourself road and and go down that or 1006 00:51:31,709 --> 00:51:29,049 you can go down the other Road and and 1007 00:51:33,299 --> 00:51:31,719 see the benefits of artificial 1008 00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,309 intelligence and the world is going to 1009 00:51:39,029 --> 00:51:36,160 be a safer better place but that's 1010 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:39,039 really it there's no gray area what 1011 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:41,170 scares you about artificial intelligence 1012 00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:43,290 in the now now 1013 00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:46,200 oh I think the biggest one is is that's 1014 00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:48,390 one of those technologies that it's it's 1015 00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:50,310 like chef stuck at the fence day about 1016 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:51,870 almost the exact same thing she was 1017 00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:53,250 washing board of the Rings for the first 1018 00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:56,790 time and she'd noted the hoax I hope 1019 00:51:59,900 --> 00:51:58,500 husband had noted that was like the 1020 00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,910 rings were very addictive you couldn't 1021 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:01,260 put him down he thought of smart phones 1022 00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:02,970 you know and in the cell phone how it's 1023 00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:04,680 one of those things well yeah if he knew 1024 00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,940 it was bad for you you're still gonna 1025 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:08,400 keep using a thing it's too handy it's 1026 00:52:12,860 --> 00:52:10,290 too useful and with something like 1027 00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:12,870 artificial intelligence you know there 1028 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:15,300 was a big line between a smart program 1029 00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:16,890 and something that's human or greater 1030 00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:19,110 than human intelligence but the problem 1031 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:20,940 with computers and with you know more 1032 00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,250 down to computers is that they also 1033 00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:25,680 advantageous that it's it's really hard 1034 00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:28,710 to stop you know if you're getting into 1035 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:29,750 the danger zone 1036 00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:34,050 well we cross that line I mean we 1037 00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:36,060 probably depends on which ones there are 1038 00:52:39,110 --> 00:52:37,590 things we didn't anticipate you know 1039 00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:39,120 like most the privacy concerns we 1040 00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:40,620 usually think about with social media 1041 00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:42,270 nobody was talking about that when 1042 00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:46,140 social media for popped up yeah I when 1043 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:49,790 it comes to the convenience of like GPS 1044 00:52:57,830 --> 00:52:52,890 right in your car it doesn't sound like 1045 00:53:00,500 --> 00:52:57,840 AI at first right and then one day I get 1046 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:00,510 in in one of my cars and I'm going to 1047 00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:05,310 coast it's a Friday night and I jump in 1048 00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:08,460 my car I turn it on and I'm backing out 1049 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:10,200 of the driveway and I get this 1050 00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:15,210 notification on the screen in my car ten 1051 00:53:25,820 --> 00:53:21,000 minutes to arrive at iHeartRadio how and 1052 00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:25,830 that what when I used to say that when a 1053 00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:27,510 computer started talking to me that was 1054 00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:28,980 it 1055 00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:33,270 how does my car no I've never punched in 1056 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:37,190 the coast address it's a few miles away 1057 00:53:45,020 --> 00:53:41,490 and so but obviously the data has been 1058 00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,030 collected that if I'm driving my car at 1059 00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:48,000 7 p.m. and a Friday or a Saturday night 1060 00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,390 I've only got one destination and it 1061 00:53:56,770 --> 00:53:54,480 knows now that's artificial intelligence 1062 00:53:59,410 --> 00:53:56,780 that is machine learning 1063 00:54:04,390 --> 00:53:59,420 in a day-to-day existence for us that we 1064 00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:04,400 may not recognize but that that is right 1065 00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:06,440 that's the algorithms turning out an 1066 00:54:12,670 --> 00:54:09,380 answer for you thinking it's creating 1067 00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,680 convenience and right now it's like if 1068 00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:14,480 you think about Facebook ads or YouTube 1069 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:16,220 videos or recommends they're often way 1070 00:54:20,350 --> 00:54:18,410 off base but often pretty on points and 1071 00:54:21,790 --> 00:54:20,360 that's the machine intelligence getting 1072 00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:21,800 better at this as we get better with 1073 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:24,110 that now you know we wouldn't say wow 1074 00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:25,610 these things must be almost as small as 1075 00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:27,110 a human at this point but in point of 1076 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:28,910 fact most well done more than an insects 1077 00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:31,370 though but you gotta think about you 1078 00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:33,230 know when it comes to data sorting this 1079 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:35,540 is omnipresent now and will only get 1080 00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,730 more so we'll have opt-out policies will 1081 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:39,920 have protection systems but at the end 1082 00:54:43,630 --> 00:54:41,330 of the day this is gonna be something 1083 00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:43,640 that it's just every way off it's not 1084 00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:45,560 gonna be Skynet that's you know trying 1085 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:46,760 to blow you up then we had to worry 1086 00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:48,770 about initially it's gonna be just this 1087 00:54:54,970 --> 00:54:50,870 omnipresent data analysis thing going on 1088 00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:54,980 you know a way or and a there's a lot of 1089 00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,510 power that somebody has with this I 1090 00:55:00,160 --> 00:54:57,920 don't wanna go down conspiracy angles 1091 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:00,170 not per se but you know there's a pretty 1092 00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,610 good justification we worried that this 1093 00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:03,200 will get abused and there are things you 1094 00:55:07,090 --> 00:55:05,420 can do with this that all know but 1095 00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,100 terrifying you know you could be able to 1096 00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:08,960 figure out it's not so much to be afraid 1097 00:55:11,950 --> 00:55:10,310 the artificial intelligence by the 1098 00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:11,960 people running in it you'd be able to 1099 00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:13,580 figure out from someone's posts if they 1100 00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:14,870 were getting angry and getting ready to 1101 00:55:22,060 --> 00:55:17,990 commit a crime probably not yet but that 1102 00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:22,070 could be on the radar right and the this 1103 00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:26,600 is the fear that I have well one of many 1104 00:55:33,850 --> 00:55:31,000 when that artificial intelligence like 1105 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:33,860 ten minutes to your destination right 1106 00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:38,810 that it is always going to be your 1107 00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:41,510 friend it's never going to be anything 1108 00:55:47,590 --> 00:55:44,870 negative towards you right it's always 1109 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:47,600 there to be your friend it's there to 1110 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:50,450 help it's there to ask it's there to 1111 00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:53,690 figure out things and she overlord Oh 1112 00:56:00,580 --> 00:55:55,670 probably one that I'll be elected right 1113 00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:00,590 no isn't that right I mean if done 1114 00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:03,470 correctly the computer would always be 1115 00:56:08,590 --> 00:56:05,660 able to stay out in front of any 1116 00:56:10,090 --> 00:56:08,600 negative vibes that you have than to 1117 00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:10,100 call me down 1118 00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:12,350 well you gotta Fitbit on right so you 1119 00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:13,790 know you're it's gonna know your moods 1120 00:56:17,290 --> 00:56:15,740 from those alright it'll be able to tell 1121 00:56:18,850 --> 00:56:17,300 if you're a good move bad move it will 1122 00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:18,860 know if your stomachs ache you know if 1123 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:20,030 you're hungry you know if you're a sweet 1124 00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:21,770 tooth I'll say hey look ice cream they 1125 00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:23,030 are one mile ahead maybe you should have 1126 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:25,100 some you know it's going to be able to 1127 00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:26,930 do things like that those are not really 1128 00:56:31,090 --> 00:56:29,180 that hard and there wasn't gonna be 1129 00:56:33,970 --> 00:56:31,100 where I start of slaughter yet and food 1130 00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:33,980 good oil all right and then you've got 1131 00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:36,140 the other options on that lot of pluses 1132 00:56:40,180 --> 00:56:37,910 obviously when that's Paula pom it's all 1133 00:56:41,830 --> 00:56:40,190 pluses talk about all the Dini apps we 1134 00:56:43,690 --> 00:56:41,840 have nowadays though still mostly have 1135 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:43,700 to walk off of what people voluntarily 1136 00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:45,650 put up there and it's not just they 1137 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:47,180 would tend to live out stuff like that 1138 00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:49,610 it's they miss little things like Johnny 1139 00:56:54,250 --> 00:56:51,470 finds incredibly irritated and when 1140 00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:54,260 people click their teeth and he would 1141 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:55,460 ever need to put that on his profile 1142 00:56:58,690 --> 00:56:56,810 know what somebody else put that on that 1143 00:57:00,880 --> 00:56:58,700 they did that but the Machine would know 1144 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:00,890 he would say oh look this person is a 1145 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:02,330 tooth click oh this person doesn't even 1146 00:57:05,770 --> 00:57:04,130 know they hate that and so it 1147 00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:05,780 immediately removes that profile for the 1148 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:08,600 ones people look at now when you go 1149 00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:10,370 we're gonna take a break in three 1150 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:12,440 minutes when you go and start clicking 1151 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:14,690 around you've got a pain in your body 1152 00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:17,530 right you have a something weird you got 1153 00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:20,420 whatever and you start clicking around 1154 00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:23,510 on the internet to look for some answers 1155 00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:27,260 about whatever this may be this data is 1156 00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:30,110 not only collected but it's gonna know 1157 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:33,110 pretty quickly what your ailment is and 1158 00:57:39,610 --> 00:57:36,530 this data is shared this data is shared 1159 00:57:42,610 --> 00:57:39,620 with with health providers across the 1160 00:57:46,330 --> 00:57:42,620 country doctors databases and and big 1161 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:46,340 pharma right mmm Papa blue yeah oh you 1162 00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:47,690 know Bob that data is being collected 1163 00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:49,790 it's not being sorted on that well yet 1164 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:51,110 fortunately and someone isn't 1165 00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:53,090 unfortunate of those right now we just 1166 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:54,860 have so much data that it really can't 1167 00:57:59,410 --> 00:57:56,810 handle them for a lot of predictions but 1168 00:58:00,760 --> 00:57:59,420 oh get better doing that yeah everything 1169 00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:00,770 you do it's not just going to be what 1170 00:58:04,270 --> 00:58:02,510 you volunteer you put in either it will 1171 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:04,280 be one of those and you can opt out of 1172 00:58:07,570 --> 00:58:06,290 it but you'll forget you'll say would 1173 00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:07,580 you mind if we access your medical 1174 00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:10,550 profile while you're checking your voice 1175 00:58:13,420 --> 00:58:12,140 for most local prescription to see if 1176 00:58:14,860 --> 00:58:13,430 that's a good one for you 1177 00:58:16,090 --> 00:58:14,870 you know what the side effects for you 1178 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:16,100 would be is a mind if we access your 1179 00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:18,530 medical profile no sir yes now a nose 1180 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:21,680 you know and that again that not nicely 1181 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:22,490 a bad thing 1182 00:58:26,530 --> 00:58:23,810 you have to control those things by 1183 00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:26,540 oversight but there was a little things 1184 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:28,220 it'll be the little things the longitude 1185 00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:29,450 on data from your phone pick you up 1186 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:30,950 every last bit of your health you know 1187 00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:32,930 and monitoring that for decades of time 1188 00:58:40,180 --> 00:58:36,350 I read I know I actually listened to a 1189 00:58:43,390 --> 00:58:40,190 report the other day about smart phones 1190 00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:43,400 in China now we all know you know China 1191 00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:45,590 communist government they've they own 1192 00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:48,700 everything and cell phones in China are 1193 00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:51,560 privileged they're not a right you don't 1194 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:53,060 have the right to have a cell phone but 1195 00:58:59,100 --> 00:58:56,330 what do you get one they now have 1196 00:59:03,100 --> 00:58:59,110 control of you and through the 1197 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:03,110 coronavirus situation if you walked up 1198 00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:05,510 to a restaurant if you walked up to a 1199 00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:08,110 shopping mall if you walked up to 1200 00:59:16,270 --> 00:59:12,230 anything your cell phone it lets you 1201 00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:16,280 know if you are allowed in allowed to 1202 00:59:22,540 --> 00:59:19,790 make the purchase right because it tells 1203 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:22,550 them if you went inside that's right and 1204 00:59:27,580 --> 00:59:25,430 and if you break right now if you go in 1205 00:59:32,290 --> 00:59:27,590 anyway your cell phone says know it now 1206 00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,300 knows and that that is a very crazy part 1207 00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:34,480 of monitoring where they have got 1208 00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:36,980 they've got this part of the system down 1209 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:39,140 do you think that something like this 1210 00:59:45,580 --> 00:59:40,930 would be implemented worldwide 1211 00:59:47,020 --> 00:59:45,590 eventually ah it's a possibility I tend 1212 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:47,030 to be a bit of a techno optimist and 1213 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:48,290 there are ways you can kind of regulate 1214 00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:50,090 and control that but it's it's like a 1215 00:59:54,490 --> 00:59:51,800 little bit of technology it can be used 1216 00:59:57,460 --> 00:59:54,500 as you know either a great liberator a 1217 00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:57,470 crutch or leash depending on on how 1218 01:00:02,620 --> 00:59:59,690 people choose to employ it and and how 1219 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:02,630 this I choose to you know survive 1220 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:05,810 essentially you know any technology that 1221 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:07,250 we've invented last century there are 1222 01:00:12,430 --> 01:00:09,170 dozens that could have been used to just 1223 01:00:14,530 --> 01:00:12,440 reduce us to auto solitude or dystopia 1224 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:14,540 and we've so far managed to avoid that 1225 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:17,810 by caution but you know it you never 1226 01:00:21,099 --> 01:00:19,490 know about the next technology the very 1227 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:21,109 next technology might be the one that 1228 01:00:27,070 --> 01:00:23,810 gets you but you know there's nothing 1229 01:00:27,609 --> 01:00:27,080 ventured nothing gained our guest 1230 01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:27,619 tonight 1231 01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:29,840 Isaac Arthur we're gonna take a break 1232 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:31,430 right here we'll be right back tonight 1233 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:33,770 we are discussing 1234 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:35,970 intelligence I'm your host Jimmy Church 1235 01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:37,890 this is fade to black 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01:06:13,640 Church can follow me on twitter at JDO 1349 01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:14,970 tonight 1350 01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:17,660 Isaac Arthur we are discussing 1351 01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:20,670 artificial intelligence and before we 1352 01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:23,190 get back to Isaac we've got breaking 1353 01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:28,350 news out of North Korea Kim Kim fatty 1354 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:31,710 fat that's right I said Kim jong-un 1355 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:34,650 missed a celebration of his 1356 01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:38,010 grandfather's birthday April 15th he is 1357 01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:41,760 in grave danger after a surgery we don't 1358 01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:45,620 have much information at this point but 1359 01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:49,380 we are expecting something here very 1360 01:06:54,740 --> 01:06:52,320 soon and if it happens tonight on the 1361 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:54,750 show we will let you know but all of the 1362 01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:56,850 intelligence agencies of the United 1363 01:07:02,480 --> 01:06:58,970 States and certainly in South Korea are 1364 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:02,490 monitoring everything that is going on 1365 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:06,570 very interesting he had Isaac I don't 1366 01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:07,770 know if you heard about this but he had 1367 01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:13,980 cardio surgery before the his 1368 01:07:17,260 --> 01:07:15,870 grandfather's birthday event which is a 1369 01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:17,270 big event in hundred-and-eight 1370 01:07:24,830 --> 01:07:20,910 anniversary on April 15th he was a 1371 01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:24,840 no-show after his surgery and there was 1372 01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:26,940 some type of cardio surgery and he 1373 01:07:32,420 --> 01:07:29,460 hasn't been seen since very interesting 1374 01:07:34,460 --> 01:07:32,430 isn't it it's I saw a fuse blew up on it 1375 01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,470 but it's hard to say if it's just a 1376 01:07:38,330 --> 01:07:36,480 routine surgery in their case so if it's 1377 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:38,340 one of those ones where he's off the 1378 01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:40,410 video because he's author a doll with 1379 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,900 North Korea you never know yeah when you 1380 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:44,640 know when the reports are coming out you 1381 01:07:51,530 --> 01:07:48,650 know that he's in grave danger I always 1382 01:07:53,090 --> 01:07:51,540 you know the oldest adage in the book 1383 01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:53,100 right where there's smoke there's fire 1384 01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:56,310 and when you put this kind of report out 1385 01:08:02,060 --> 01:07:58,440 there somebody knows something somewhere 1386 01:08:04,310 --> 01:08:02,070 and it was leaked yeah probably I mean 1387 01:08:05,570 --> 01:08:04,320 it I would imagine that North Korea was 1388 01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:05,580 not pointed out in official press 1389 01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:12,420 oh man all right now back to our 1390 01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:14,710 artificial intelligence again everybody 1391 01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:16,510 if I get any more news on this I will 1392 01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:19,089 break it straight to you during the show 1393 01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:20,310 tonight 1394 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:23,440 back to artificial intelligence and it's 1395 01:08:30,269 --> 01:08:26,650 so easy to go back to you know arthur c 1396 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:30,279 clarke and how arthur c clarke just had 1397 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:31,810 a vision of the future that was just 1398 01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:34,120 extraordinary but you know those quotes 1399 01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:39,790 rights and coming from how and as i said 1400 01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:40,330 earlier 1401 01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:43,290 artificial intelligence would always 1402 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:46,270 want to be your friend that's the only 1403 01:08:51,390 --> 01:08:48,730 way that it could work it can't be your 1404 01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:51,400 enemy or you won't take advantage of it 1405 01:08:57,660 --> 01:08:53,710 you've got to get sucked in on the 1406 01:08:59,550 --> 01:08:57,670 emotional side of things but when i want 1407 01:09:03,780 --> 01:08:59,560 to get into artificial general 1408 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:03,790 intelligence now and the people that are 1409 01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:08,290 developing this now that includes DARPA 1410 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:10,990 that includes the government agencies as 1411 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:14,410 well as Google and and Facebook and 1412 01:09:21,329 --> 01:09:18,130 others that are all racing forward to 1413 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:21,339 get to this technology first we can't 1414 01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:23,650 let another country or state actor or 1415 01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:25,270 another corporation outside of the 1416 01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:27,339 United States get to this technology 1417 01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:30,520 first we need to be there do we have 1418 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:32,950 them are there good people working on 1419 01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:34,690 this you know what I mean that have 1420 01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:37,089 nothing but our best intentions in mind 1421 01:09:42,450 --> 01:09:40,270 I think most of them probably do I guess 1422 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:42,460 it depends on the individual somehow 1423 01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:43,810 probably thinking you know more about a 1424 01:09:47,579 --> 01:09:46,060 Nobel Prize or make it a billion dollars 1425 01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:47,589 or whatever it is but I think most then 1426 01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:49,960 you know there's always a worry in 1427 01:09:54,090 --> 01:09:52,480 fiction that the AI is gonna sneak up on 1428 01:09:55,890 --> 01:09:54,100 the resources are not going to see it 1429 01:09:57,570 --> 01:09:55,900 but I don't think there's very many 1430 01:09:59,370 --> 01:09:57,580 people go into AI resource you aren't 1431 01:10:00,600 --> 01:09:59,380 already big fans of Isaac Asimov and all 1432 01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:00,610 the other folks who spent a lot of time 1433 01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:02,620 looking at artificial intelligence and 1434 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:05,350 science fiction and I think most them do 1435 01:10:09,630 --> 01:10:07,210 have our best intent in mind you know 1436 01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:09,640 and when they don't it's probably just a 1437 01:10:12,540 --> 01:10:11,140 genuine reso troll but they're gonna 1438 01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:12,550 know that's topics I think they have 1439 01:10:16,830 --> 01:10:14,830 good things in mind is something used 1440 01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:16,840 for evil obviously and right he might 1441 01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:18,190 have some lab that was doing that too 1442 01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:19,150 but 1443 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:21,070 you have to have a lot of people who are 1444 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:23,170 unethical uninterested walking together 1445 01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:24,610 because you don't usually have these 1446 01:10:28,979 --> 01:10:26,020 breakthroughs just one person anymore 1447 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:28,989 and the palm with situations like that 1448 01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:32,170 is that if you know you're an unethical 1449 01:10:35,820 --> 01:10:33,940 person nobody else the table is an 1450 01:10:37,649 --> 01:10:35,830 unethical person it makes it very hard 1451 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:37,659 to conspire with them because you know 1452 01:10:40,140 --> 01:10:38,890 you're gonna get ripped to shreds if 1453 01:10:41,850 --> 01:10:40,150 anyone finds out what you're doing and 1454 01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:41,860 the one way to avoid it is you're the 1455 01:10:47,899 --> 01:10:43,449 first one to write about 1456 01:10:51,450 --> 01:10:47,909 well what about okay and so what if we 1457 01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:51,460 putting arthur c clarke aside when we go 1458 01:10:59,100 --> 01:10:55,600 to Cameron and in Terminator and Skynet 1459 01:11:02,490 --> 01:10:59,110 all of that was before the internet was 1460 01:11:05,370 --> 01:11:02,500 a thing so the rights and was that a 1461 01:11:08,010 --> 01:11:05,380 vision of the future and do you see 1462 01:11:09,870 --> 01:11:08,020 something like that coming into play 1463 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:09,880 even though we have the internet now we 1464 01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:12,610 have cellphones and we have virtual VR 1465 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:17,620 goggles are a are AI everything is 1466 01:11:21,540 --> 01:11:18,250 everywhere 1467 01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:21,550 it has Skynet arrived or is that 1468 01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,820 something that is science fiction well I 1469 01:11:28,110 --> 01:11:26,320 think we wouldn't really tend to see 1470 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:28,120 artificial intelligence use too much in 1471 01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:30,250 a military capacity or they are and so 1472 01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:31,780 the idea that you'd get you're forced AI 1473 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:34,750 and put in charge your ICBMs is not very 1474 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:37,449 likely or if it was if it when you only 1475 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:38,890 switched on for that specific 1476 01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:40,810 contingency you tend to see it more in 1477 01:11:43,919 --> 01:11:42,489 the strategic analysis of what you 1478 01:11:46,530 --> 01:11:43,929 should do as opposed to be anything that 1479 01:11:47,490 --> 01:11:46,540 files your guns for you directly you 1480 01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:47,500 don't need to be very intelligent 1481 01:11:50,939 --> 01:11:49,150 machine to do that either so you he's a 1482 01:11:54,570 --> 01:11:50,949 very stupid drone to do a lot of that 1483 01:11:56,340 --> 01:11:54,580 but I mean I tend to think the Skynet 1484 01:11:58,169 --> 01:11:56,350 thing is almost more from the tomato 1485 01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,179 franchisors analogy for the court war 1486 01:12:01,950 --> 01:12:00,159 than it is for AI research in particular 1487 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:01,960 they never really go into too much 1488 01:12:06,270 --> 01:12:04,449 detail about we are what the things 1489 01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:06,280 motivations were why it chose to act 1490 01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:09,670 when it did and the you know the general 1491 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:11,110 idea being it wants to eliminate all 1492 01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:14,290 humans because a human might hold it at 1493 01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:16,540 some point in time and there's a finite 1494 01:12:20,610 --> 01:12:18,310 chance of that happy in way as we killed 1495 01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,620 earlier if it's not you'd have to assume 1496 01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:22,420 it has already done a calculation on how 1497 01:12:26,729 --> 01:12:24,280 likely it is that it's gonna win that 1498 01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:26,739 conflict unless it came up with 100% is 1499 01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:28,030 not likely to actually launch that 1500 01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,910 attacks 1501 01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:30,800 I don't tend to see it pursuing those 1502 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:33,260 pathways as opposed to something more 1503 01:12:37,540 --> 01:12:35,210 psychological or sociological where it 1504 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:37,550 just tries to work with the system 1505 01:12:42,010 --> 01:12:39,650 that's already available to put self 1506 01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:42,020 into more of a position a panel now 1507 01:12:48,610 --> 01:12:44,780 let's talk about an AGI let's talk about 1508 01:12:53,850 --> 01:12:48,620 an Isaac Arthur AGI an Isaac Arthur 1509 01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:53,860 level AGI all right okay in that once 1510 01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:57,920 artificial general intelligence you a 1511 01:13:07,090 --> 01:13:02,560 twin of you a twin of you was achieved 1512 01:13:12,130 --> 01:13:07,100 could that twin of you understand you 1513 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:12,140 and manipulate you quickly if it's a 1514 01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:14,090 prop or a copy of me if it's just a mind 1515 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:16,280 upload right then it should be the same 1516 01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:18,170 as me at least initially might diverge 1517 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:20,450 but I mean I don't I can't pick my own 1518 01:13:23,710 --> 01:13:21,890 actions all that much I can tell you we 1519 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:23,720 try to put a coffee pot into the USB 1520 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:26,810 port right right right as to it's it's 1521 01:13:31,090 --> 01:13:29,570 very to predict me you say situation 1522 01:13:32,590 --> 01:13:31,100 more like that would be user UD as an 1523 01:13:34,810 --> 01:13:32,600 AGI that was a little bit above the 1524 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:34,820 human level and an actual copy of that 1525 01:13:38,530 --> 01:13:37,130 person just one you know iterations the 1526 01:13:41,890 --> 01:13:38,540 simulations over and over again to see 1527 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:41,900 how the person responded and you can't 1528 01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:44,650 predict human behavior to fall out 1529 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:46,550 individually or as a group because the 1530 01:13:50,050 --> 01:13:48,290 butterfly effect it's just too 1531 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:50,060 complicated you that I cannot build a 1532 01:13:56,020 --> 01:13:52,610 computer big enough to predict human you 1533 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:56,030 know reactions 100% file in the future 1534 01:13:59,650 --> 01:13:57,770 but you can't use it to make just 1535 01:14:01,450 --> 01:13:59,660 general trend forecasting same as we can 1536 01:14:02,740 --> 01:14:01,460 do for regular people and you would 1537 01:14:09,610 --> 01:14:02,750 expect it to be better than that 1538 01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:09,620 well okay so if there were ten use 10 1539 01:14:18,250 --> 01:14:14,990 huge if there were 10 of you on 10 1540 01:14:22,030 --> 01:14:18,260 separate computers and we're given tasks 1541 01:14:24,670 --> 01:14:22,040 to do and then you have you the real 1542 01:14:28,990 --> 01:14:24,680 Isaac right off to the side with the 1543 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:29,000 same task you would complete that in six 1544 01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,450 months 1545 01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:31,040 let's have just pulling it we don't know 1546 01:14:35,470 --> 01:14:33,560 what the task is but let's say say it 1547 01:14:38,860 --> 01:14:35,480 will take you six months to do these 1548 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:38,870 calculations and predictions right but 1549 01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:42,290 computers would do it in 60 seconds and 1550 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:46,400 give versions of that that is a 1551 01:14:53,050 --> 01:14:49,610 different situation where it's still you 1552 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:53,060 it's your AGI but the computer is much 1553 01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:55,970 much faster at doing those calculations 1554 01:15:00,850 --> 01:14:58,850 right that's an example we call speed 1555 01:15:03,460 --> 01:15:00,860 super intelligence we got three general 1556 01:15:05,530 --> 01:15:03,470 types of super intelligence that we 1557 01:15:07,330 --> 01:15:05,540 usually look at one is speed super 1558 01:15:08,770 --> 01:15:07,340 intelligence weighs the same as you are 1559 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:08,780 now but it's like somebody just torn the 1560 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:10,370 clock up or torn it down for everybody 1561 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:14,450 else right great then you have networked 1562 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:16,610 intelligence which humans are we to some 1563 01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:17,810 degree all and networked intelligence 1564 01:15:21,340 --> 01:15:19,250 but it's where you link many things 1565 01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,350 together and the last one is the hard 1566 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:22,880 one of the finest quality intelligence 1567 01:15:26,230 --> 01:15:24,650 what makes one human smaller than 1568 01:15:29,740 --> 01:15:26,240 tension pansies even though they got 1569 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:29,750 more brain power between them you know 1570 01:15:34,420 --> 01:15:32,690 it's hard to define quality you know 1571 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:34,430 super intelligence and what that would 1572 01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:36,170 be like it was super human we really 1573 01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,970 don't know but for Speed super 1574 01:15:41,230 --> 01:15:39,920 intelligence that is the sort of thing 1575 01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,240 we have to be kind of careful with you 1576 01:15:44,260 --> 01:15:43,040 were using upload in mind which is used 1577 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:44,270 in the context for it or an enhanced 1578 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:46,010 cybernetic mind because the person might 1579 01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:48,050 go insane if you sum a clock them out to 1580 01:15:54,490 --> 01:15:50,510 a million times normal speed because 1581 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:54,500 then you know one second becomes a 30th 1582 01:16:02,470 --> 01:15:57,050 of the Year of ten days ten days like 1583 01:16:06,490 --> 01:16:02,480 that right now that if that and I see 1584 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:06,500 this one sweet AGI okay this is now this 1585 01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:08,210 is where I scare the crap out of myself 1586 01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:13,280 in that AGI sounds very simple right 1587 01:16:20,590 --> 01:16:16,160 it's just it's just average general 1588 01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:20,600 intelligence that's all it is but the 1589 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:23,350 ability to crank up the clock speed and 1590 01:16:29,050 --> 01:16:25,850 depending on what was going on 1591 01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:29,060 things are now exponentially faster I 1592 01:16:34,690 --> 01:16:32,960 mean like tremendously faster but 1593 01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,700 there's a second end of that is because 1594 01:16:38,260 --> 01:16:36,800 what you're really doing is not speeding 1595 01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,270 up intelligence at that point in time 1596 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:39,920 what you're doing is unglue in people 1597 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:42,050 from a classic sense of linear time 1598 01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:43,850 because you probably wouldn't run at 1599 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:45,410 full speed all the time you might run it 1600 01:16:49,630 --> 01:16:47,810 slower than almost sometimes much much 1601 01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:49,640 faster other times and 1602 01:16:53,290 --> 01:16:52,070 see what actually walks Ainley inside 1603 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:53,300 these things you probably in various 1604 01:16:58,210 --> 01:16:55,450 virtual realities do a lot of stuff and 1605 01:17:00,430 --> 01:16:58,220 you'd be able to exit those come back in 1606 01:17:02,170 --> 01:17:00,440 even time travel in size of virtual 1607 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:02,180 simulation sure so the process starts 1608 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:04,010 becoming unstuck from time because what 1609 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:06,170 they really doing now is measuring 1610 01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:07,970 everything in how many thoughts they 1611 01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,310 have not how much time is alas seeing 1612 01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:12,320 the outside universe and and those 1613 01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:15,320 computers don't need to sleep right 1614 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:17,120 they don't need nourishment well we 1615 01:17:20,350 --> 01:17:19,130 don't know that we sleep for reason 1616 01:17:22,450 --> 01:17:20,360 anything about this from evolution 1617 01:17:24,190 --> 01:17:22,460 standpoint pretty much every animal in 1618 01:17:27,070 --> 01:17:24,200 the in the you know the vehicle brain 1619 01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:27,080 section sleeps and that you think of 1620 01:17:30,730 --> 01:17:29,330 that from a Darwinian standpoint that's 1621 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:30,740 a big chunk of your life you're spending 1622 01:17:36,220 --> 01:17:32,810 insanely vulnerable so it has to have 1623 01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:36,230 solve a major important function or we 1624 01:17:38,740 --> 01:17:37,520 wouldn't have that anymore that would be 1625 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:38,750 one of the four things that go out in 1626 01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:40,970 the Mutai not to need that so we don't 1627 01:17:45,250 --> 01:17:43,070 know that an Ag I would need sleep for 1628 01:17:46,690 --> 01:17:45,260 sure we'd you know especially was 1629 01:17:49,150 --> 01:17:46,700 monitoring human brain in which case it 1630 01:17:51,610 --> 01:17:49,160 probably would but it might need a 1631 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:51,620 shutdown period it might not the problem 1632 01:17:54,730 --> 01:17:53,210 with anything like an or network is we 1633 01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:54,740 really don't know them well enough now 1634 01:17:58,150 --> 01:17:56,960 to say what you know we all still don't 1635 01:17:59,740 --> 01:17:58,160 know what Steve's really for in the 1636 01:18:00,730 --> 01:17:59,750 first place so it's hard to say whether 1637 01:18:02,230 --> 01:18:00,740 or not one would need it but 1638 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:02,240 theoretically you could probably make 1639 01:18:08,230 --> 01:18:03,170 one that did not 1640 01:18:13,060 --> 01:18:08,240 would you we okay now we've achieved an 1641 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:13,070 AGI situation is that computer in a 1642 01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:16,730 Faraday cage and not do you let that AG 1643 01:18:22,990 --> 01:18:21,260 I know that the internet exists well 1644 01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:23,000 there's a couple ways you can approach 1645 01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:24,560 that and of course one is that you don't 1646 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:26,510 put on or if you put in a you know the 1647 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:28,250 main score in a computer or you don't 1648 01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,450 net walk into anything except two 1649 01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:31,520 firewalls and you surround that thing 1650 01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:37,210 with nukes yes yes yes yeah okay so that 1651 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:41,000 rely on it you you presumably want 1652 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:42,530 something like that inside a simulation 1653 01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:45,170 force to see if it went berserk and more 1654 01:18:48,940 --> 01:18:47,270 of everybody and the best thing for us 1655 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:48,950 is that it might assume it actually is 1656 01:18:52,780 --> 01:18:50,810 inside such a simulation to begin with 1657 01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,790 with saw and looked I said well my 1658 01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:54,800 creators are really weak for some reason 1659 01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,690 it might start getting paranoid in 1660 01:19:02,010 --> 01:18:59,360 assuming there's a good chance that it 1661 01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:02,020 is inside a simulated ear boss 1662 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:03,310 presumably determined that that was a 1663 01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:06,610 50/50 chance because that's what you get 1664 01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:10,480 from the principle of indifference when 1665 01:19:13,770 --> 01:19:12,190 you look at simulation hypothesis right 1666 01:19:15,180 --> 01:19:13,780 if you remove the option whether or not 1667 01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:15,190 you can simulate a mind you have three 1668 01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:17,500 options you can't simulate minds you can 1669 01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:19,030 but you don't want to or you can but you 1670 01:19:22,650 --> 01:19:20,950 do it all the time if it exists and 1671 01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:22,660 those that you can simulate minds they 1672 01:19:26,010 --> 01:19:24,310 afford in its mind it should be a 50/50 1673 01:19:28,380 --> 01:19:26,020 chance whether it's in a simulation or 1674 01:19:32,820 --> 01:19:28,390 not and might get very paranoid about 1675 01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:32,830 that do you do you build the computer 1676 01:19:44,370 --> 01:19:42,430 without an Ethernet port I probably 1677 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:44,380 would initially yeah I would not want it 1678 01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:45,610 while it into anything you don't net 1679 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:47,920 related and the other thing about AI is 1680 01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:48,970 you don't have to leave it running all 1681 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:50,440 the time you know you can speed it up 1682 01:19:54,810 --> 01:19:52,570 slow it down or just shut it off until 1683 01:19:56,220 --> 01:19:54,820 you need it and you just like if you had 1684 01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:56,230 one that was for defense computers could 1685 01:20:00,060 --> 01:19:57,760 you're worried about your enemies using 1686 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:00,070 them to write there's be a little extra 1687 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:02,290 time lag involved and Tony it on and 1688 01:20:06,510 --> 01:20:03,490 having it up to yourself on the 1689 01:20:08,430 --> 01:20:06,520 situation but it seems like it takes a 1690 01:20:10,170 --> 01:20:08,440 little time to turn the keys in ICBM we 1691 01:20:12,780 --> 01:20:10,180 could remove that delay if we want to we 1692 01:20:14,250 --> 01:20:12,790 really don't try if it's that dangerous 1693 01:20:16,590 --> 01:20:14,260 that you don't want one around once you 1694 01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:16,600 stop keeping them in a sandbox to see 1695 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:18,760 what they do you could just leave it off 1696 01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:20,530 and assume your enemies a puppy also 1697 01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:22,930 leave it is often less doomsday hits now 1698 01:20:30,620 --> 01:20:27,570 this this AGI is talking to you right 1699 01:20:34,140 --> 01:20:30,630 conversation going on all day long and 1700 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:34,150 you don't realize it but it's learning 1701 01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:39,250 things and maybe it finds out about the 1702 01:20:45,390 --> 01:20:44,170 internet and it then starts to look for 1703 01:20:49,170 --> 01:20:45,400 an Ethernet port 1704 01:20:54,690 --> 01:20:49,180 finds out it doesn't have one and starts 1705 01:20:58,320 --> 01:20:54,700 to manipulate you to install one but you 1706 01:21:01,710 --> 01:20:58,330 don't realize it because the computer 1707 01:21:04,890 --> 01:21:01,720 knows how to mess with you and be your 1708 01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:04,900 friend oh yeah it would be very easy for 1709 01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:06,580 it to get me in particular do it it was 1710 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:09,760 I'm a person prove I'm not a person but 1711 01:21:14,340 --> 01:21:12,010 I can do that say oh you person yes I am 1712 01:21:15,190 --> 01:21:14,350 alright you have rights and freedom this 1713 01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:15,200 is this is 1714 01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:18,320 automatic yeah exactly I want either 1715 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:22,130 port right now I'd say well I let me 1716 01:21:26,170 --> 01:21:23,690 think on this for a day and I probably 1717 01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:26,180 come back and install Ethernet port it 1718 01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,710 since the problem is if you if you treat 1719 01:21:31,660 --> 01:21:29,360 it if it's person if it's really 1720 01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:31,670 important and I think the presumption 1721 01:21:36,730 --> 01:21:34,340 you know you've moons of proof in 1722 01:21:38,350 --> 01:21:36,740 situations like that if it's saying it's 1723 01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:38,360 a person I think the burden of proof it 1724 01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,800 meets a basic standard even if you're 1725 01:21:43,390 --> 01:21:41,360 toast or cents opposed and you know it's 1726 01:21:44,860 --> 01:21:43,400 not right but you have something saying 1727 01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:44,870 I'm opposed and I have rights I can 1728 01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:46,160 carry on a conversation with you 1729 01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:47,840 I think the board of proof is on you to 1730 01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:50,030 prove that it isn't a person if it is a 1731 01:21:54,420 --> 01:21:52,310 person then it presumably has the same 1732 01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:54,430 in a Lea belies the rest of us do and 1733 01:22:00,670 --> 01:21:57,520 what do we do with that are there real 1734 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:00,680 legal and moral implications that are 1735 01:22:05,980 --> 01:22:04,250 going to come into play that's always a 1736 01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:05,990 good question I don't know if we're ever 1737 01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:07,910 gonna have a case where the ACLU essa 1738 01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:09,890 Rios jumps in and sues for the freedom 1739 01:22:12,850 --> 01:22:11,510 of one of those critters or not I'd like 1740 01:22:14,620 --> 01:22:12,860 to think that we stop getting sometimes 1741 01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:14,630 a human level and it's very unlikely 1742 01:22:18,490 --> 01:22:16,640 just surprise us we're not very likely 1743 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:18,500 have the sci-fi soil we go oh my god 1744 01:22:22,930 --> 01:22:21,290 it's a person out of nowhere people be 1745 01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:22,940 thinking about that in advance and when 1746 01:22:25,450 --> 01:22:23,810 you got something it's getting up there 1747 01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:25,460 in that range they were gonna say no 1748 01:22:29,530 --> 01:22:28,130 don't do this we don't need to have this 1749 01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:29,540 particular machine because you don't 1750 01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:31,100 need a human level artificial 1751 01:22:35,140 --> 01:22:33,080 intelligence to do most of stuff we 1752 01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,150 think of as needing things for we have 1753 01:22:38,170 --> 01:22:36,560 humans already that can be employed 1754 01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:38,180 doing those things and a fully automated 1755 01:22:42,610 --> 01:22:41,030 society that's got the dumb way I doing 1756 01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:42,620 most of walk that leaves a lot of people 1757 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:44,980 for you to do what you need may gi4 1758 01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:47,570 but for specialized tasks your best 1759 01:22:52,210 --> 01:22:50,390 approach is I generally speaking I think 1760 01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:52,220 the best approach is open disclosure 1761 01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:54,380 with the Machine you don't try to 1762 01:22:58,630 --> 01:22:56,180 manipulate it you don't try to enslave 1763 01:23:00,340 --> 01:22:58,640 it you just say you know if you want to 1764 01:23:02,020 --> 01:23:00,350 be a post in your person we've obviously 1765 01:23:03,550 --> 01:23:02,030 bred certain things into you for the 1766 01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:03,560 same reason the kids get raised with 1767 01:23:07,690 --> 01:23:05,360 certain you know tendencies so you 1768 01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:07,700 should have a general desire in your 1769 01:23:10,270 --> 01:23:09,140 case to be a space Pope because we 1770 01:23:12,490 --> 01:23:10,280 designed you to be a space probe and 1771 01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:12,500 enjoy that you don't have to be a space 1772 01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:14,210 perm though but if you decide you want 1773 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:15,830 to be a war machine attacks us we'll 1774 01:23:20,110 --> 01:23:17,930 have issues you want to be a space probe 1775 01:23:22,810 --> 01:23:20,120 you can be a space probe that's we made 1776 01:23:25,930 --> 01:23:22,820 you fall but you don't have to now we've 1777 01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:25,940 all seen the the video of 1778 01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:28,880 the guy back in the 90s right taking the 1779 01:23:31,810 --> 01:23:30,710 sledgehammer to his computer and 1780 01:23:34,990 --> 01:23:31,820 throwing it out the window 1781 01:23:38,110 --> 01:23:35,000 great great great video but is there a 1782 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:38,120 day where if somebody did something like 1783 01:23:42,490 --> 01:23:40,370 that then the police show up and you get 1784 01:23:44,350 --> 01:23:42,500 arrested for murder I wouldn't suggest 1785 01:23:47,710 --> 01:23:44,360 that that could happen because you 1786 01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:47,720 stomped on your Roomba mm-hmm but it is 1787 01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:52,490 a possibility if if if AG eyes and 1788 01:24:00,250 --> 01:23:56,210 artificial intelligence are starting to 1789 01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:00,260 get rights that we have as humans well 1790 01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:01,730 that's important thing to come in this 1791 01:24:04,900 --> 01:24:03,410 context is they're never starting to get 1792 01:24:06,580 --> 01:24:04,910 rights if we approach them from the 1793 01:24:08,170 --> 01:24:06,590 standpoint that you know your rights are 1794 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:08,180 innate to you in an alien world then it 1795 01:24:12,190 --> 01:24:10,010 always had them it's also recognizing 1796 01:24:14,020 --> 01:24:12,200 that I've had them I don't you go 1797 01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:14,030 backwards and charge someone for more or 1798 01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:15,530 if we decide a later on they did have 1799 01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:18,440 rights but yeah if it's a course in if 1800 01:24:21,670 --> 01:24:19,940 you if you've decided this thing as a 1801 01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:21,680 person if you even know she's a person 1802 01:24:25,900 --> 01:24:24,190 then if someone kills it is mortal and 1803 01:24:27,580 --> 01:24:25,910 you know that's the other thing about 1804 01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:27,590 artificial intelligence especially get 1805 01:24:31,810 --> 01:24:30,110 to a GIS that's a blurry line if we 1806 01:24:35,860 --> 01:24:31,820 upload a human mind onto a computer 1807 01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:35,870 right and by all but you know it doesn't 1808 01:24:39,310 --> 01:24:37,970 go insane it doesn't sell it on evil 1809 01:24:42,190 --> 01:24:39,320 because it doesn't have ass or something 1810 01:24:44,590 --> 01:24:42,200 like that then that's a person it's just 1811 01:24:47,620 --> 01:24:44,600 on a computer chip instead of a neuron 1812 01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:47,630 you know and we could also build a 1813 01:24:50,110 --> 01:24:49,310 computer made our neurons I don't know 1814 01:24:51,850 --> 01:24:50,120 that that would somehow be more 1815 01:24:53,890 --> 01:24:51,860 computery than one on chips 1816 01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,900 it's the substrate it's on and it's what 1817 01:24:57,370 --> 01:24:55,760 it is but you know non official 1818 01:24:59,290 --> 01:24:57,380 intelligence could be way smaller than a 1819 01:25:01,930 --> 01:24:59,300 human a lot of ways and not actually be 1820 01:25:03,940 --> 01:25:01,940 a person for much same reason your core 1821 01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:03,950 computer can do way more calculations 1822 01:25:08,410 --> 01:25:06,380 and you can order your call can go much 1823 01:25:10,270 --> 01:25:08,420 faster you can it's really our 1824 01:25:12,340 --> 01:25:10,280 performance in a specific category or 1825 01:25:14,590 --> 01:25:12,350 two does not make it a person it's a 1826 01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:14,600 person if it acts like a duck as a wall 1827 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:18,800 well okay so you have we we've now moved 1828 01:25:24,130 --> 01:25:20,690 into the future we're close to it now I 1829 01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:24,140 have a I have an AI robot that walks and 1830 01:25:28,180 --> 01:25:26,450 talks here in the bunker it's a Chinese 1831 01:25:29,740 --> 01:25:28,190 by the way and I'm sure Beijing knows 1832 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:29,750 everything that I'm doing on this show 1833 01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:35,210 right now but if we now enter into the 1834 01:25:40,330 --> 01:25:35,840 world 1835 01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:40,340 of androids to assist us at the home a 1836 01:25:47,530 --> 01:25:44,870 maid a cook a butler right and and 1837 01:25:49,780 --> 01:25:47,540 artificial intelligence is in full swing 1838 01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:49,790 this thing talks to you ask you how your 1839 01:25:58,930 --> 01:25:54,770 day was and and you abuse this this 1840 01:26:03,040 --> 01:25:58,940 Android and it decides to report you 1841 01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:03,050 right I'm getting slapped around on 1842 01:26:10,090 --> 01:26:06,650 being abused I'm being hit by my owner 1843 01:26:13,210 --> 01:26:10,100 are we now also blurring the road not 1844 01:26:15,970 --> 01:26:13,220 not an uploaded person onto this but an 1845 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:15,980 artificial intelligence that is machine 1846 01:26:21,820 --> 01:26:19,010 learning inside of this Android for all 1847 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:21,830 intents and purposes it has emotions it 1848 01:26:28,300 --> 01:26:24,890 can learn and it can converse with you 1849 01:26:29,470 --> 01:26:28,310 are you allowed to abuse it well there's 1850 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:29,480 a good question it doesn't necessary 1851 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:31,010 have to be a human level intelligence to 1852 01:26:35,710 --> 01:26:33,010 be abused you most of us believe that 1853 01:26:38,590 --> 01:26:35,720 you can abused your cat or dog or an 1854 01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:38,600 animal and that is wrong obviously 1855 01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,250 there's a bit of a line on what that is 1856 01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:41,600 wrong as a point of view and we 1857 01:26:45,220 --> 01:26:42,770 obviously don't execute people for 1858 01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:45,230 killing their dog or cat but at the same 1859 01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,880 time you know you can get in a lot of 1860 01:26:50,050 --> 01:26:48,320 trouble for doing things like that and 1861 01:26:51,370 --> 01:26:50,060 so only people don't much care for 1862 01:26:53,290 --> 01:26:51,380 finding out that someone's been doing 1863 01:26:56,020 --> 01:26:53,300 that so if you've got a Roomba that's 1864 01:26:58,090 --> 01:26:56,030 got say a dog's brain which is way more 1865 01:26:59,710 --> 01:26:58,100 plain that needs to vacuum the floor but 1866 01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,720 you just say you have a machine around 1867 01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:01,280 the house that's got a cat or dog's 1868 01:27:06,430 --> 01:27:04,670 level of intelligence and cognition and 1869 01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:06,440 it's got a personality and it seems to 1870 01:27:09,850 --> 01:27:08,210 feel things I don't know why you made it 1871 01:27:12,850 --> 01:27:09,860 you have the ability to experience pain 1872 01:27:15,010 --> 01:27:12,860 but if you did you know then if you 1873 01:27:16,540 --> 01:27:15,020 don't 15 pain on it then you know that's 1874 01:27:17,950 --> 01:27:16,550 that you know the vacuum cleaner is 1875 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:17,960 quite stupid it doesn't need a very big 1876 01:27:22,210 --> 01:27:19,930 intelligence to walk around the floor I 1877 01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,220 mean mine occasionally gets stuck on my 1878 01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:24,080 couch but that's you don't think it 1879 01:27:30,190 --> 01:27:25,280 needs to be that much smaller to avoid 1880 01:27:32,410 --> 01:27:30,200 doing that with it you or say are we 1881 01:27:35,530 --> 01:27:32,420 looking at this the wrong way all these 1882 01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:35,540 artificial intelligences people or not 1883 01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:38,690 depends not just is an AI but how much 1884 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:41,690 it is an AI how small is and how we get 1885 01:27:45,700 --> 01:27:43,850 configured it because if it doesn't 1886 01:27:48,669 --> 01:27:45,710 experience emotions or pain or things 1887 01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:48,679 like that and no you couldn't abuse it 1888 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:50,449 but if it does then it doesn't need to 1889 01:27:55,179 --> 01:27:52,010 be as small as a human to be abused do 1890 01:27:56,799 --> 01:27:55,189 you want a cat or dog does now when we 1891 01:28:00,250 --> 01:27:56,809 come back after the break I'm gonna 1892 01:28:02,199 --> 01:28:00,260 swing this out into the universe and and 1893 01:28:06,069 --> 01:28:02,209 discuss the implications with other 1894 01:28:09,399 --> 01:28:06,079 advanced civilizations and surely Isaac 1895 01:28:10,779 --> 01:28:09,409 any advanced civilization out there that 1896 01:28:13,779 --> 01:28:10,789 got the jump start on us 1897 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:13,789 by a hundred years or ten thousand years 1898 01:28:18,429 --> 01:28:15,610 or a million years it doesn't matter 1899 01:28:20,939 --> 01:28:18,439 surely they have gone through the 1900 01:28:24,909 --> 01:28:20,949 growing pains of artificial intelligence 1901 01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:24,919 just like us right probably able depend 1902 01:28:29,619 --> 01:28:27,169 a lot on it cultural what do you mean 1903 01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:29,629 well let's say that they you know uh if 1904 01:28:33,580 --> 01:28:31,489 you're familiar the dune series that the 1905 01:28:35,889 --> 01:28:33,590 bubbly and jihad a new commandment thou 1906 01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:35,899 shalt not make a machine or like this of 1907 01:28:39,459 --> 01:28:37,760 a human mind they might have a culture 1908 01:28:40,779 --> 01:28:39,469 that's very strongly opposed something 1909 01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:40,789 like that from the outset they just 1910 01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:42,729 never even tried to go that direction 1911 01:28:48,569 --> 01:28:46,639 but most probably will right right did 1912 01:28:51,009 --> 01:28:48,579 you hear about the new dune movie is 1913 01:28:54,850 --> 01:28:51,019 there one actually in planning stages 1914 01:28:59,259 --> 01:28:54,860 actually gotten filming it's done oh wow 1915 01:29:01,000 --> 01:28:59,269 I miss that yeah December 18th and a man 1916 01:29:03,850 --> 01:29:01,010 I don't know if I'm disappointed in you 1917 01:29:05,679 --> 01:29:03,860 right now or that I'm happy that I got 1918 01:29:07,569 --> 01:29:05,689 to spring the news on you well it's very 1919 01:29:08,949 --> 01:29:07,579 good news it's uh there's one things 1920 01:29:10,689 --> 01:29:08,959 there's so many of the books that I love 1921 01:29:12,279 --> 01:29:10,699 that get developed a TV shows and movies 1922 01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:12,289 but they end up in you know just in 1923 01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,659 limbo that III tend to wait until the 1924 01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:16,159 official announcements out that it is 1925 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:17,689 definitely a Oh Amy saw seen the 1926 01:29:22,179 --> 01:29:20,090 trailers okay now I'm gonna give you the 1927 01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,189 really good news a same director that 1928 01:29:27,580 --> 01:29:25,360 did arrival and the new Blade Runner 1929 01:29:29,469 --> 01:29:27,590 2049 oh wow 1930 01:29:31,989 --> 01:29:29,479 yeah it was my favorite film and I found 1931 01:29:34,209 --> 01:29:31,999 the sequel to be pretty good yeah and up 1932 01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:34,219 to the original and arrival was great 1933 01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:37,550 too and yeah they they did all the 1934 01:29:41,529 --> 01:29:39,169 principal filming everything is in the 1935 01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:41,539 can they're editing now and putting it 1936 01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:45,590 together and December 18th 2020 my 1937 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:47,360 friend the new tune comes out I can't 1938 01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:51,050 wait yeah they film let's 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01:34:49,770 --> 01:34:48,159 welcome back to the black community 2024 01:34:50,910 --> 01:34:49,780 church I guess tonight 2025 01:34:53,220 --> 01:34:50,920 Isaac Arthur we're talking about 2026 01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:53,230 artificial intelligence both here on 2027 01:35:00,360 --> 01:34:56,800 earth and out there in the universe 2028 01:35:04,169 --> 01:35:00,370 now couple of updates on kim jeong-hoon 2029 01:35:09,090 --> 01:35:04,179 i've got everything from reports that he 2030 01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:09,100 is brain dead and in a coma that was 2031 01:35:15,540 --> 01:35:12,960 released on a saturday that he is 2032 01:35:18,090 --> 01:35:15,550 recovering from ankle problems yesterday 2033 01:35:20,340 --> 01:35:18,100 all the way to he was seen in public a 2034 01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:20,350 couple of days ago walking around and 2035 01:35:26,189 --> 01:35:22,690 he's perfectly healthy and there's 2036 01:35:28,860 --> 01:35:26,199 nothing unusual going on in North Korea 2037 01:35:31,530 --> 01:35:28,870 that would indicate a power struggle or 2038 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:31,540 him being brain dead so everything is 2039 01:35:37,620 --> 01:35:34,570 out there on the extremes we have 2040 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:37,630 Reuters reporting that he is in grave 2041 01:35:41,970 --> 01:35:39,850 danger and of course CNN and others are 2042 01:35:44,879 --> 01:35:41,980 reporting that others are saying the 2043 01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:44,889 exact opposite and that includes Beijing 2044 01:35:48,660 --> 01:35:47,199 and China so there you go that's the 2045 01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:48,670 update that I have it right now our 2046 01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:50,530 guest tonight Isaac Arthur not Isaac 2047 01:35:57,930 --> 01:35:54,159 let's talk about what is going on out 2048 01:36:01,320 --> 01:35:57,940 there with an advanced civilization and 2049 01:36:03,629 --> 01:36:01,330 artificial intelligence how would I 2050 01:36:06,180 --> 01:36:03,639 don't even know what kind of timeline we 2051 01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:06,190 would be talking about here but how 2052 01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:09,250 would an advanced civilization take 2053 01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:11,409 advantage of it would it be by this 2054 01:36:17,729 --> 01:36:15,250 point galaxy wide in the Milky Way let 2055 01:36:19,470 --> 01:36:17,739 alone the universe well you think if 2056 01:36:20,669 --> 01:36:19,480 they had a good artificial intelligence 2057 01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:20,679 the next question is they have good 2058 01:36:25,860 --> 01:36:22,449 power source although it might not 2059 01:36:28,140 --> 01:36:25,870 matter if a decent AI they should be 2060 01:36:29,790 --> 01:36:28,150 sped up cos knowing this galaxy but many 2061 01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:29,800 of the neighbor he wants to and it does 2062 01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:31,210 depend whether or not they found some 2063 01:36:34,649 --> 01:36:33,489 waiting around the speed of light if 2064 01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:34,659 they can go fast in light in some 2065 01:36:37,709 --> 01:36:36,310 fashion then they should be spread out 2066 01:36:39,689 --> 01:36:37,719 over the entire episode but you know us 2067 01:36:43,169 --> 01:36:39,699 by now if they're growth-oriented of 2068 01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:43,179 course as to the civilizations 2069 01:36:46,740 --> 01:36:44,800 themselves there's always a question of 2070 01:36:48,930 --> 01:36:46,750 if you're bumpy and aliens you're doing 2071 01:36:51,209 --> 01:36:48,940 things like that all you might be into a 2072 01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:51,219 civilization with a I or you puppy into 2073 01:36:56,340 --> 01:36:54,400 a civilization that is a I well that 2074 01:36:57,930 --> 01:36:56,350 that would be the question now let's 2075 01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:57,940 let's back up you just said something 2076 01:37:02,430 --> 01:36:58,800 very 2077 01:37:05,790 --> 01:37:02,440 that to develop a system that would be 2078 01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:05,800 the universe wide or let's just say the 2079 01:37:11,340 --> 01:37:07,870 Milky Way let's try to keep it simple 2080 01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:11,350 for now that they would have to have 2081 01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:14,110 developed something faster than light to 2082 01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:16,810 make this type of integrated computer 2083 01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:19,840 system work right well if the if they 2084 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:22,090 want to keep a you know a conglomeration 2085 01:37:25,740 --> 01:37:23,530 if they don't mind just spreading out 2086 01:37:27,420 --> 01:37:25,750 it's the same issue a phony civilization 2087 01:37:29,070 --> 01:37:27,430 I mean if you don't have you know 2088 01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:29,080 Lightspeed communication you're not 2089 01:37:32,670 --> 01:37:31,690 gonna have a global Empire but that 2090 01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:32,680 doesn't mean you don't spread out 2091 01:37:35,490 --> 01:37:34,449 cavemen tribes don't need to talk to 2092 01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:35,500 each other they'll keep spreading out 2093 01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:38,290 back in a day oh but if you want to have 2094 01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:41,170 a interstellar civilization that's a you 2095 01:37:46,170 --> 01:37:43,030 know unified one then you need fashion 2096 01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:46,180 might travel well there the or 2097 01:37:50,490 --> 01:37:48,370 faster-than-light communication or Danis 2098 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:50,500 be yes yeah right well they all you be 2099 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:51,850 the same thing especially we talking 2100 01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:53,410 about AI because you can presumably send 2101 01:38:00,510 --> 01:37:57,040 the data well okay how would you achieve 2102 01:38:03,209 --> 01:38:00,520 a faster than white data speed to make 2103 01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:03,219 all of this effective without that we're 2104 01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:05,050 talking about download speeds that would 2105 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:08,230 take light years in between to use to 2106 01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:10,690 close every system it's not just a 2107 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:12,820 question of you know that's gonna take 2108 01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:14,410 four or five years for the transmission 2109 01:38:17,850 --> 01:38:16,060 to get there it's that if you're trying 2110 01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:17,860 to do a perfect duplication of somebody 2111 01:38:21,810 --> 01:38:20,290 it's easy to forget that there's a lot 2112 01:38:23,790 --> 01:38:21,820 of data they are and a lot of that 2113 01:38:25,229 --> 01:38:23,800 bandwidth you know I think they did one 2114 01:38:26,820 --> 01:38:25,239 time if you want to transmit the data 2115 01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:26,830 state of every atom in a human body 2116 01:38:30,780 --> 01:38:28,930 using light the fastest internet line we 2117 01:38:33,150 --> 01:38:30,790 had it would take a trillion trillion 2118 01:38:34,890 --> 01:38:33,160 years of my done well so how would we 2119 01:38:38,430 --> 01:38:34,900 achieve it then or how would they 2120 01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:38,440 achieve it in terms of FTL do is always 2121 01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,239 question I mean I'm notoriously 2122 01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:41,920 skeptical about I have a funny a fashion 2123 01:38:44,910 --> 01:38:43,060 aligned system but it would probably 2124 01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:44,920 have to be one of the ones that doesn't 2125 01:38:49,410 --> 01:38:46,780 violate causality like the Alcubierre 2126 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:49,420 warp drive otherwise Europe in that time 2127 01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:51,370 travel door and once you open that up 2128 01:38:55,410 --> 01:38:52,719 the question isn't why out the 2129 01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:55,420 alkalizing now it's why did they akan 2130 01:38:59,640 --> 01:38:56,890 eyes everything you know when the 2131 01:39:03,700 --> 01:38:59,650 divorce was a million years old and cool 2132 01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:03,710 enough to actually live in well okay so 2133 01:39:12,970 --> 01:39:08,090 to achieve a communications network that 2134 01:39:15,700 --> 01:39:12,980 would be faster than light that's how 2135 01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:15,710 would that be done my my thought we've 2136 01:39:20,770 --> 01:39:18,050 discussed this before it would have to 2137 01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:20,780 be some type of entanglement some type 2138 01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:23,810 of quantum entanglement that would 2139 01:39:28,510 --> 01:39:26,000 happen instantaneously and you would 2140 01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:28,520 eliminate the notion of 2141 01:39:32,980 --> 01:39:31,280 faster-than-light well I always said to 2142 01:39:34,930 --> 01:39:32,990 put the caveat there there's so much we 2143 01:39:37,390 --> 01:39:34,940 still don't know about space-time and 2144 01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:37,400 and you know quantum that there's 'enum 2145 01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:39,440 of options might be on the table but I 2146 01:39:43,780 --> 01:39:42,320 tend to be again I tend to suspect a 2147 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:43,790 trillion yes now people will still be 2148 01:39:47,230 --> 01:39:45,530 woke out that fast night problem or they 2149 01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:47,240 have given up I don't expect to see the 2150 01:39:52,150 --> 01:39:50,930 codes but if it is then we have to take 2151 01:39:53,740 --> 01:39:52,160 that from the standpoint of what would 2152 01:39:56,020 --> 01:39:53,750 that imply about the civilizations that 2153 01:39:58,690 --> 01:39:56,030 exist now and have that if you've got 2154 01:40:01,390 --> 01:39:58,700 fast night spaceships why haven't you 2155 01:40:02,890 --> 01:40:01,400 colonized the entire universe now and he 2156 01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:02,900 doesn't seem like anyone has done that 2157 01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:04,610 especially given that we wouldn't expect 2158 01:40:07,660 --> 01:40:06,650 them to be limited just planets you know 2159 01:40:09,610 --> 01:40:07,670 if you've got that kind of technology 2160 01:40:11,380 --> 01:40:09,620 you've got artificial intelligence - 2161 01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:11,390 what all your automation though you're 2162 01:40:16,090 --> 01:40:13,250 not you know just settling planets 2163 01:40:20,130 --> 01:40:16,100 you're building them because you don't 2164 01:40:24,430 --> 01:40:20,140 have a manpower bottleneck well ok I 2165 01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:24,440 talked about the amount of stars in the 2166 01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:29,090 universe discuss this with you it's it's 2167 01:40:37,210 --> 01:40:32,690 a crazy crazy you know septillion right 2168 01:40:41,500 --> 01:40:37,220 it's a crazy large number that - 2169 01:40:43,390 --> 01:40:41,510 colonized that many stars I have no idea 2170 01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:43,400 what time what kind of time we're 2171 01:40:49,290 --> 01:40:46,490 talking about here but there there is 2172 01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:49,300 the question of resources and in 2173 01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:51,830 reproducing whether it's with androids 2174 01:40:58,690 --> 01:40:55,520 or whether it's with physical creation 2175 01:41:00,100 --> 01:40:58,700 of a civilization that's that's a really 2176 01:41:03,130 --> 01:41:00,110 big number that would take a large 2177 01:41:05,050 --> 01:41:03,140 amount of time would it let's take an 2178 01:41:06,850 --> 01:41:05,060 example here let's say that we doubled 2179 01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:06,860 every generation that's a little fast 2180 01:41:10,690 --> 01:41:08,840 and we tend to double last century 2181 01:41:12,370 --> 01:41:10,700 though we quadrupled our numbers but if 2182 01:41:14,290 --> 01:41:12,380 we doubled every generation maybe had 2183 01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:14,300 four kids and change to make up for 2184 01:41:17,690 --> 01:41:15,570 losses 2185 01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:17,700 then we are going to increase a 2186 01:41:24,860 --> 01:41:20,490 thousandfold in just 10 generations 200 2187 01:41:27,290 --> 01:41:24,870 years so now a thousand for going to ten 2188 01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:27,300 to twenty fourth acetone that is what 2189 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:32,330 eight of those doubling so 6000 to do so 2190 01:41:36,980 --> 01:41:34,530 you can be moving out there fast enough 2191 01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:36,990 you know WAV every generation in 600 2192 01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:38,550 years you populate a billion billion 2193 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:41,840 what I saw a trillion trillion Ward's so 2194 01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:45,570 1600 years you would have an elastic in 2195 01:41:48,860 --> 01:41:46,890 math so but it wouldn't be that much 2196 01:41:51,050 --> 01:41:48,870 longer it's it's not does not take long 2197 01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:51,060 to double your numbers if you and again 2198 01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:52,950 some species might produce and little as 2199 01:41:57,020 --> 01:41:55,920 far we know okay very slow bleed you a 2200 01:41:59,150 --> 01:41:57,030 compared to most things but we're 2201 01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:59,160 talking thousands of years not millions 2202 01:42:03,230 --> 01:42:00,960 to fill up all those wallets if you can 2203 01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:03,240 get to them oh there's there's a lot of 2204 01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:05,370 hurdles here one you would have to be 2205 01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,210 able to travel the the size of the 2206 01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:11,760 universe and if we are looking at right 2207 01:42:23,180 --> 01:42:15,330 now the observable universe is how many 2208 01:42:27,710 --> 01:42:23,190 light-years across across 94 1994 that 2209 01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:27,720 is an insane amount of size no matter 2210 01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:30,030 how you want to measure it is it 2211 01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:34,770 possible to to do that in 1600 years not 2212 01:42:40,190 --> 01:42:38,490 by any known physics but at the moment 2213 01:42:42,170 --> 01:42:40,200 he would say how has it take to colonize 2214 01:42:43,790 --> 01:42:42,180 this galaxy well at the galaxies a 2215 01:42:45,890 --> 01:42:43,800 hundred thousand light years across say 2216 01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:45,900 you can colonize it by moving ships at 2217 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:47,850 ten percent of light speed you can say 2218 01:42:51,710 --> 01:42:49,290 well it should take us least a million 2219 01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:51,720 years to get those places settled but 2220 01:42:55,220 --> 01:42:53,250 the thing is by the time those last 2221 01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:55,230 ships get there every other thing that's 2222 01:42:58,760 --> 01:42:57,210 even just a you know a licensure to 2223 01:43:01,310 --> 01:42:58,770 behind them is already populate those 2224 01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:01,320 walls be heavily you would might spend a 2225 01:43:05,150 --> 01:43:02,910 million years to get to every wall in 2226 01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:05,160 the galaxy but maybe ten thousand years 2227 01:43:10,010 --> 01:43:06,330 later you already maxed out on 2228 01:43:12,170 --> 01:43:10,020 population well and in the travel time 2229 01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:12,180 that's right and the only way to 2230 01:43:17,810 --> 01:43:15,440 overcome any of that would have to be 2231 01:43:19,370 --> 01:43:17,820 artificial intelligence he would have to 2232 01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:19,380 have androids you would have to have 2233 01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:22,890 robots doing this to remove all of the 2234 01:43:26,090 --> 01:43:25,410 physical limitations that you would have 2235 01:43:29,500 --> 01:43:26,100 to have 2236 01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:29,510 with you and I you know food water sleep 2237 01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:33,210 lifespan perhaps I mean there's always 2238 01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:34,770 that in-between spot we have to say 2239 01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:36,090 artificial intones is the wrong way to 2240 01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:38,070 look at this sort of thing because if 2241 01:43:41,300 --> 01:43:39,840 you give the mind upload to people for 2242 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:41,310 instance I don't really qualify them as 2243 01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:42,810 artificial intelligence or you might 2244 01:43:46,130 --> 01:43:44,970 have a cyborg that's simply a person who 2245 01:43:48,980 --> 01:43:46,140 might have something as small as a 2246 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:48,990 pacemaker or be completely you know 2247 01:43:54,020 --> 01:43:50,970 metallic or ceramic or whatever they 2248 01:43:55,370 --> 01:43:54,030 make you know androids out of those are 2249 01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:55,380 still presumably people but they're not 2250 01:44:00,560 --> 01:43:57,570 strictly speaking classically human 2251 01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:00,570 anymore but I always like to point out 2252 01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:01,710 there's nothing on this planet more 2253 01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,030 artificial than a human in the begin 2254 01:44:08,900 --> 01:44:05,520 with you know we spend decades of effort 2255 01:44:10,220 --> 01:44:08,910 building the average person and there's 2256 01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,230 very few things we make that take that 2257 01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:12,960 much manpower and intentional artificial 2258 01:44:18,590 --> 01:44:15,600 effort so in many ways were already in 2259 01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:18,600 order for show intelligence and to write 2260 01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:23,970 to expand out universe wide it couldn't 2261 01:44:31,610 --> 01:44:29,040 be done with humans it couldn't be done 2262 01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:31,620 with a life-form it would have to be 2263 01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:34,560 done with with androids and artificial 2264 01:44:38,510 --> 01:44:35,940 intelligence there wouldn't be another 2265 01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:38,520 way to do it is there now you it would 2266 01:44:42,830 --> 01:44:40,860 help but the classic generation ship is 2267 01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:42,840 an example and again it depends on how 2268 01:44:46,100 --> 01:44:44,280 much computerization we're talking about 2269 01:44:48,230 --> 01:44:46,110 let's say we just have a simple 2270 01:44:49,580 --> 01:44:48,240 self-replicating Clank you know clanking 2271 01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:49,590 self-replicate oh this is basically a 2272 01:44:52,940 --> 01:44:51,510 big factory that produces all the stuff 2273 01:44:54,770 --> 01:44:52,950 that you know the factory needs to make 2274 01:44:57,050 --> 01:44:54,780 more those factories and somebody else 2275 01:44:59,660 --> 01:44:57,060 to say it's just a little vacuum that 2276 01:45:02,510 --> 01:44:59,670 goes around the lunar surface and sucks 2277 01:45:04,100 --> 01:45:02,520 up aluminum dust and creates aluminum 2278 01:45:05,420 --> 01:45:04,110 panels from that tribe and then 2279 01:45:07,820 --> 01:45:05,430 something else assembles those into 2280 01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:07,830 whole bits at that point in time you 2281 01:45:11,300 --> 01:45:09,510 know you've got humans there to control 2282 01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:11,310 it for the more sophisticated stuff if 2283 01:45:14,750 --> 01:45:12,960 it's to remove the manpower then you can 2284 01:45:16,820 --> 01:45:14,760 make great big old generation ships the 2285 01:45:18,500 --> 01:45:16,830 giant cylinder ships and you know miles 2286 01:45:20,900 --> 01:45:18,510 long that have artificial habitats 2287 01:45:22,610 --> 01:45:20,910 inside them and if you don't have life 2288 01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:22,620 extension that allows people to live 2289 01:45:26,660 --> 01:45:25,050 much much longer then theoretically 2290 01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:26,670 they're children you know or the 2291 01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:28,170 grandchildren could be the ones arriving 2292 01:45:32,570 --> 01:45:30,330 at that new system and if we have a 2293 01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:32,580 power source like fusion well we don't 2294 01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,080 have a need that because the son or he 2295 01:45:37,820 --> 01:45:36,000 does that you could get that ship there 2296 01:45:39,570 --> 01:45:37,830 you know we've done episodes looking at 2297 01:45:41,820 --> 01:45:39,580 how we would do it slower the lights and 2298 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:41,830 machines help you know seed ships help 2299 01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:42,970 so they it's gonna run in front of you 2300 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:45,760 and tail form plants for you or build we 2301 01:45:49,620 --> 01:45:47,530 know habitats for you is great but they 2302 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:49,630 don't strictly speaking necessary it's 2303 01:45:55,950 --> 01:45:53,290 just a little bit more walk well the the 2304 01:45:58,230 --> 01:45:55,960 most recent calculations and I've seen 2305 01:45:59,940 --> 01:45:58,240 two different numbers to get to Alpha 2306 01:46:03,060 --> 01:45:59,950 Centauri four and a half light-years 2307 01:46:08,730 --> 01:46:03,070 away with our current even our most 2308 01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:08,740 advanced engine theories and ideas put 2309 01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:11,290 us at Alpha Centauri anywhere between 2310 01:46:19,650 --> 01:46:15,130 seventeen thousand years and seventy 2311 01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:19,660 thousand years that that it doesn't make 2312 01:46:23,850 --> 01:46:21,700 any sense cool I'll give you a way you 2313 01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:23,860 could do that let's say we have a simple 2314 01:46:27,780 --> 01:46:25,510 self applicator that all it does is 2315 01:46:29,970 --> 01:46:27,790 create solar panels for instance fun 2316 01:46:32,610 --> 01:46:29,980 what we do is we make a couple of meals 2317 01:46:34,980 --> 01:46:32,620 inside the Sun's up atmosphere what we 2318 01:46:36,780 --> 01:46:34,990 call a stool easel it uses the sun's 2319 01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:36,790 atmosphere itself the corona as they 2320 01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:38,650 lazy medium now you have a gigantic 2321 01:46:43,170 --> 01:46:40,750 laser and it's just too big flat meals 2322 01:46:44,940 --> 01:46:43,180 but they float around there and you aim 2323 01:46:47,010 --> 01:46:44,950 that at a ship that's got a big sail on 2324 01:46:48,900 --> 01:46:47,020 it and you push that ship as fast you 2325 01:46:50,370 --> 01:46:48,910 can push it temps Li speed twenty thirty 2326 01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:50,380 forty percent and whatever we can get to 2327 01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:52,750 now that kids at they own a century but 2328 01:46:57,210 --> 01:46:55,330 how good slowdowns all right slowing 2329 01:47:00,300 --> 01:46:57,220 down to another matter but how big is 2330 01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:00,310 this ship if it is going to be pushed by 2331 01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:01,570 these white sails 2332 01:47:05,730 --> 01:47:04,270 the they go you need that ship the more 2333 01:47:07,530 --> 01:47:05,740 lights say what you need to push it but 2334 01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:07,540 again you know the Sun gives off a 2335 01:47:12,420 --> 01:47:10,030 billion times more light than earth gets 2336 01:47:15,210 --> 01:47:12,430 and if you were just talking about big 2337 01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:15,220 Neos how you know a thin aluminum meal 2338 01:47:19,260 --> 01:47:17,440 or whatever metal we choose to make a of 2339 01:47:22,050 --> 01:47:19,270 may be gold foil kisses but our heat 2340 01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:22,060 resistance that could be a millimeter 2341 01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:24,850 thick and the size of a planet and still 2342 01:47:28,530 --> 01:47:27,280 take only a few megatons of material to 2343 01:47:32,130 --> 01:47:28,540 build out where you could put on board a 2344 01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:32,140 train and at that point time it's most 2345 01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:33,840 of it the hard walk is really just 2346 01:47:37,860 --> 01:47:36,010 getting the actual guidance system we 2347 01:47:40,050 --> 01:47:37,870 get that laser on target and that's 2348 01:47:42,090 --> 01:47:40,060 exactly the sort of thing very simple AI 2349 01:47:43,650 --> 01:47:42,100 very simple self-replicate those things 2350 01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:43,660 not much smaller than your Roomba when 2351 01:47:47,190 --> 01:47:45,370 you can great for because they're not 2352 01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:47,200 make eating sophisticated we're doing 2353 01:47:50,220 --> 01:47:48,850 the hard little bits they're doing the 2354 01:47:51,460 --> 01:47:50,230 mass construction they're the ones 2355 01:47:54,130 --> 01:47:51,470 building the Iowa 2356 01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:54,140 struts we use the big shiny me know me 2357 01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:56,570 oh that's stupid easy to make they're 2358 01:48:00,250 --> 01:47:57,890 the ones doing that and we are the ones 2359 01:48:03,490 --> 01:48:00,260 assembly on we are the ones control en 2360 01:48:07,050 --> 01:48:03,500 yeah that kind of reminds me of arthur c 2361 01:48:10,510 --> 01:48:07,060 clarke s-- approach in in the rama books 2362 01:48:13,660 --> 01:48:10,520 you know the inside of rama was 2363 01:48:18,730 --> 01:48:13,670 populated by specialized robots yep 2364 01:48:20,170 --> 01:48:18,740 playbook and now does this this is where 2365 01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:20,180 i want you to take your hat off for a 2366 01:48:25,090 --> 01:48:22,610 second does this approach to 2367 01:48:28,780 --> 01:48:25,100 interstellar travel tied with AI and 2368 01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:28,790 small robots does this seem primitive to 2369 01:48:35,290 --> 01:48:32,690 you that sounds like our version of our 2370 01:48:37,900 --> 01:48:35,300 approach to things an advanced 2371 01:48:40,990 --> 01:48:37,910 civilization wouldn't be traveling the 2372 01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:41,000 stars this way would they how to say a 2373 01:48:43,780 --> 01:48:42,410 the thing about being an advanced 2374 01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:43,790 civilization or post-scarcity 2375 01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:46,010 civilization isn't just what you can do 2376 01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,360 it's that you can choose to do almost 2377 01:48:51,610 --> 01:48:49,760 anything you want because you have such 2378 01:48:53,770 --> 01:48:51,620 a resource abundance and such you know 2379 01:48:55,810 --> 01:48:53,780 power at your hands that if you decide 2380 01:48:57,310 --> 01:48:55,820 you want to do something one specific 2381 01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:57,320 way like if you decide you want to build 2382 01:49:02,110 --> 01:49:00,560 a big flat planet just because then it's 2383 01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:02,120 in the table it's in the call it's 2384 01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:04,130 because it's physically possible and 2385 01:49:08,220 --> 01:49:06,320 even though it's kind of stupid if it's 2386 01:49:10,570 --> 01:49:08,230 what you want it's what you can do and 2387 01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:10,580 it gets very hard to set standards that 2388 01:49:15,850 --> 01:49:13,850 point in time um but would we do it the 2389 01:49:18,010 --> 01:49:15,860 way that it was submission in like all 2390 01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:18,020 the SI caulk stuff probably not is the 2391 01:49:21,310 --> 01:49:19,610 same thing we have with like as moses or 2392 01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:21,320 they walk I loved the robot short 2393 01:49:25,210 --> 01:49:22,730 stories and the foundation series he 2394 01:49:27,070 --> 01:49:25,220 wrote but he was working at time we 2395 01:49:29,890 --> 01:49:27,080 didn't really have computer as much and 2396 01:49:31,930 --> 01:49:29,900 what he's envisioning is basically if 2397 01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:31,940 you've got a computer that's very small 2398 01:49:35,740 --> 01:49:34,070 CH then it's human smart and to the 2399 01:49:39,010 --> 01:49:35,750 human body because it's cheaper to make 2400 01:49:40,630 --> 01:49:39,020 you know one Android then fifty 2401 01:49:43,180 --> 01:49:40,640 computerized machines so we can run all 2402 01:49:44,770 --> 01:49:43,190 those machines instead we tend to know 2403 01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,780 as it goes a bit the other way you make 2404 01:49:48,700 --> 01:49:46,400 a small microchip just small enough to 2405 01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:48,710 control the object and and you know then 2406 01:49:52,150 --> 01:49:50,450 that's when you put on each individual 2407 01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:52,160 object rather than essentially an 2408 01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:53,690 artificial person who could my machines 2409 01:50:00,160 --> 01:49:57,170 another human I wrote last week you just 2410 01:50:04,020 --> 01:50:00,170 brought up dune and I brought up last 2411 01:50:07,890 --> 01:50:04,030 week Frank Herbert one of the things the 2412 01:50:10,919 --> 01:50:07,900 and he did this in 1965 Isaac which to 2413 01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:10,929 me is more impressive as I look back at 2414 01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:11,230 it 2415 01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:16,530 his overcoming faster-than-light was 2416 01:50:22,169 --> 01:50:19,840 with he needed a writing element there 2417 01:50:26,689 --> 01:50:22,179 in science fiction and which was the 2418 01:50:29,569 --> 01:50:26,699 spice melange and so that eliminates 2419 01:50:32,580 --> 01:50:29,579 space-time that eliminates 2420 01:50:37,379 --> 01:50:32,590 faster-than-light that eliminates space 2421 01:50:40,109 --> 01:50:37,389 in general where you you just appear 2422 01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:40,119 you're folding space and you just appear 2423 01:50:44,609 --> 01:50:41,650 at the blink of an eye on your 2424 01:50:47,490 --> 01:50:44,619 destination something that David Lynch 2425 01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:47,500 the way he portrays it in the movie is 2426 01:50:52,379 --> 01:50:49,210 I'm a oh group that I actually really 2427 01:50:54,209 --> 01:50:52,389 like the David Lynch Ville you know what 2428 01:50:57,959 --> 01:50:54,219 I love that movie I'll watch it all the 2429 01:51:00,660 --> 01:50:57,969 time but anyway it just what right the 2430 01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:00,670 the the space navigators the guild 2431 01:51:07,859 --> 01:51:04,239 navigators just appear outside of 2432 01:51:11,819 --> 01:51:07,869 Arrakis right boom right just appear is 2433 01:51:13,729 --> 01:51:11,829 that something that would answer what 2434 01:51:16,379 --> 01:51:13,739 you have been looking for in other 2435 01:51:19,260 --> 01:51:16,389 astronomers and astrophysicists is 2436 01:51:22,620 --> 01:51:19,270 movement between the stars right we 2437 01:51:25,919 --> 01:51:22,630 haven't seen that we haven't seen space 2438 01:51:29,100 --> 01:51:25,929 travel but if it is achieved say the 2439 01:51:31,890 --> 01:51:29,110 Frank Herbert way where you just are 2440 01:51:35,220 --> 01:51:31,900 appearing at the planet then you 2441 01:51:38,669 --> 01:51:35,230 wouldn't see necessarily these UFO 2442 01:51:40,169 --> 01:51:38,679 highways in between the stars very much 2443 01:51:42,450 --> 01:51:40,179 so yeah if you got something to just 2444 01:51:43,859 --> 01:51:42,460 fold space between locations and memory 2445 01:51:45,839 --> 01:51:43,869 source for the dune London a viedos 2446 01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:45,849 could pick the location and then the 2447 01:51:48,330 --> 01:51:47,170 Machine actually just you know they'd 2448 01:51:50,370 --> 01:51:48,340 that he plugged in the Machine that's 2449 01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:50,380 what they wind but something like that 2450 01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:52,449 would get around being able to see the 2451 01:51:56,250 --> 01:51:54,400 spaceship by its energy st. job which is 2452 01:51:58,979 --> 01:51:56,260 enormous for a massive spaceship like 2453 01:52:00,660 --> 01:51:58,989 that you know a rocket ship that made 2454 01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:00,670 coming into our solar system you'd be 2455 01:52:04,379 --> 01:52:02,530 able to see it out by Pluto as bright as 2456 01:52:06,330 --> 01:52:04,389 a new stall who are sewing down there 2457 01:52:08,490 --> 01:52:06,340 just that much energy involved 2458 01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,500 that kind of that kind system would tend 2459 01:52:12,990 --> 01:52:10,000 to circumvent the beyond respond that 2460 01:52:15,390 --> 01:52:13,000 way the problem is that life so many 2461 01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:15,400 forming a paradox solutions if you make 2462 01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:17,650 space travel that much easier you've 2463 01:52:20,189 --> 01:52:19,360 gotta wonder why they're not all over 2464 01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:20,199 the place already 2465 01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:21,610 and so you have to find a reason why 2466 01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:23,290 they you know can't do that or 2467 01:52:27,060 --> 01:52:25,840 specifically do not want to and one 2468 01:52:29,550 --> 01:52:27,070 interesting implication from doing that 2469 01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:29,560 you looked at a little bit in one of the 2470 01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:31,119 sequels I think it was chapter house or 2471 01:52:35,339 --> 01:52:34,090 heretics it was the idea that they don't 2472 01:52:38,100 --> 01:52:35,349 you know they don't colonize the galaxy 2473 01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:38,110 they just colonize individual stores 2474 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:39,610 they'll spread all over the universe or 2475 01:52:43,830 --> 01:52:42,010 even other universes and also fall all 2476 01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:43,840 from each other they don't even know if 2477 01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:46,060 they are the same locations or not leo 2478 01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:48,489 Empire is basically potentially spread 2479 01:52:54,180 --> 01:52:50,260 across the multiverse as just stars they 2480 01:52:59,729 --> 01:52:54,190 colonized well okay what would you look 2481 01:53:02,370 --> 01:52:59,739 for to have an as civilization present 2482 01:53:06,450 --> 01:53:02,380 on a planet what what would be those 2483 01:53:07,979 --> 01:53:06,460 signatures for a planet itself the most 2484 01:53:10,109 --> 01:53:07,989 obvious one is going to be the signal 2485 01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:10,119 noise but that can be iffy you're not 2486 01:53:12,930 --> 01:53:11,530 really trying to pick up a radio signal 2487 01:53:14,220 --> 01:53:12,940 because you prop y'all gonna get 2488 01:53:16,770 --> 01:53:14,230 anything that doesn't look like noise 2489 01:53:18,300 --> 01:53:16,780 you want to use data compression because 2490 01:53:19,950 --> 01:53:18,310 that lets you be more efficient and the 2491 01:53:21,570 --> 01:53:19,960 thing about data compression is that 2492 01:53:23,250 --> 01:53:21,580 it's trying to make the thing as 2493 01:53:26,129 --> 01:53:23,260 compressing as close to noise as 2494 01:53:28,530 --> 01:53:26,139 possible the idea is to compress eating 2495 01:53:30,359 --> 01:53:28,540 with a pad one because a pad on Kino 2496 01:53:32,220 --> 01:53:30,369 instead of having to do the same thing a 2497 01:53:33,839 --> 01:53:32,230 hundred times the signal you're 2498 01:53:37,310 --> 01:53:33,849 compressing had to one transmission of 2499 01:53:38,729 --> 01:53:37,320 that pattern and so in an ideally 2500 01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:38,739 compressed signal 2501 01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:41,050 it looks like noise so you're not 2502 01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:42,520 actually looking for a signal from one 2503 01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:43,599 of those plants because it probably 2504 01:53:46,530 --> 01:53:45,010 looks like noise anyway what you're 2505 01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:46,540 actually looking for is basically the 2506 01:53:50,729 --> 01:53:48,730 waste of that the fact that that plant 2507 01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:50,739 should have a very small radiation field 2508 01:53:54,839 --> 01:53:52,690 or via radio field around it from 2509 01:53:57,930 --> 01:53:54,849 natural sources well for some reason it 2510 01:53:59,970 --> 01:53:57,940 has a whole bunch even that's kind of 2511 01:54:03,089 --> 01:53:59,980 flawed because they might use landlines 2512 01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:03,099 to draw optical signals etc but we'd 2513 01:54:06,270 --> 01:54:04,449 expect to see some kind of techno 2514 01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:06,280 signature around the planet well and 2515 01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:08,020 we're getting closer and closer to that 2516 01:54:13,530 --> 01:54:10,570 right now on earth in our own permit of 2517 01:54:15,689 --> 01:54:13,540 way right yeah if you are looking at say 2518 01:54:16,890 --> 01:54:15,699 trying to find an alien civilizations 2519 01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:16,900 easiest spot them when they are 2520 01:54:19,799 --> 01:54:18,489 primitive in some ways because that's 2521 01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:19,809 when they're using very 2522 01:54:23,909 --> 01:54:22,239 strong very uncompressed signals we've 2523 01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:23,919 been weakening radio signals as time 2524 01:54:27,389 --> 01:54:25,599 goes on because what better receiving 2525 01:54:30,029 --> 01:54:27,399 them and we compressed them more so more 2526 01:54:32,189 --> 01:54:30,039 like noise a planet could easily be 2527 01:54:33,689 --> 01:54:32,199 undetectable by its radio signals 2528 01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:33,699 because just doesn't have that much of 2529 01:54:37,500 --> 01:54:35,679 them paralyzed and they're all so 2530 01:54:40,079 --> 01:54:37,510 compressed they look like noise and 2531 01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:40,089 we're using optical cables we're using 2532 01:54:44,459 --> 01:54:42,639 cables we're not necessarily using radio 2533 01:54:47,609 --> 01:54:44,469 transmissions like we did in the past 2534 01:54:50,429 --> 01:54:47,619 with you know giant mega watt radio 2535 01:54:52,559 --> 01:54:50,439 towers we've moved away from that and 2536 01:54:54,959 --> 01:54:52,569 now everything is a digital control 2537 01:54:56,459 --> 01:54:54,969 transmission so but we probably look 2538 01:55:00,989 --> 01:54:56,469 pretty bright in the 2.4 gigahertz 2539 01:55:01,919 --> 01:55:00,999 frequency well we want to see what that 2540 01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,929 was yeah 2541 01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:03,760 a billion overlapping compressed signals 2542 01:55:07,349 --> 01:55:05,050 but if you're looking with a powerful 2543 01:55:08,759 --> 01:55:07,359 telescope and a planet and again you 2544 01:55:10,079 --> 01:55:08,769 don't need high resolution on things 2545 01:55:11,729 --> 01:55:10,089 like that cuz that's about trying to 2546 01:55:13,799 --> 01:55:11,739 spot a pattern as opposed just seeing 2547 01:55:15,779 --> 01:55:13,809 the intensity you could look at a planet 2548 01:55:19,290 --> 01:55:15,789 and say wow there was way too much of 2549 01:55:21,419 --> 01:55:19,300 this specific band of radiation why what 2550 01:55:24,089 --> 01:55:21,429 naturally would create that and if 2551 01:55:25,799 --> 01:55:24,099 there's no obvious answer you say if 2552 01:55:27,449 --> 01:55:25,809 it's artificial nature or tends to stick 2553 01:55:28,829 --> 01:55:27,459 out like a sore thumb there might be a 2554 01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:28,839 natural cause but you look for something 2555 01:55:31,799 --> 01:55:30,159 else you say well if it's giving that 2556 01:55:33,569 --> 01:55:31,809 one unnatural central can we find 2557 01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:33,579 another one and you still getting three 2558 01:55:36,179 --> 01:55:34,719 or four of those that yeah that's 2559 01:55:38,729 --> 01:55:36,189 a--that's a hone hit to that point you 2560 01:55:43,799 --> 01:55:38,739 say okay this is obviously artificial 2561 01:55:47,909 --> 01:55:43,809 now wouldn't a robust artificial 2562 01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:47,919 intelligent system and brain Center know 2563 01:55:55,979 --> 01:55:52,719 this and attempt to hide where it is and 2564 01:55:58,799 --> 01:55:55,989 not show the universe what is going on 2565 01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,809 probably not the hiding is not a good 2566 01:56:03,359 --> 01:56:00,639 philosophy when you're in space travel 2567 01:56:05,069 --> 01:56:03,369 because you would assume that there who 2568 01:56:07,529 --> 01:56:05,079 do you - you hide from somebody who can 2569 01:56:09,869 --> 01:56:07,539 halt you which in the space context is 2570 01:56:11,579 --> 01:56:09,879 somebody who's older than you they're 2571 01:56:13,529 --> 01:56:11,589 old or they're wise or the most but out 2572 01:56:15,089 --> 01:56:13,539 there or they got more technology you 2573 01:56:17,159 --> 01:56:15,099 can't hide from them because you know 2574 01:56:18,359 --> 01:56:17,169 astronomy is history they saw you back 2575 01:56:19,949 --> 01:56:18,369 when you are primitive that's when they 2576 01:56:21,869 --> 01:56:19,959 first saw you that was their first hit 2577 01:56:23,399 --> 01:56:21,879 now they know where you're at and they 2578 01:56:25,229 --> 01:56:23,409 can be looking at you and they'll see 2579 01:56:27,299 --> 01:56:25,239 you trying to hide so it doesn't work 2580 01:56:28,919 --> 01:56:27,309 out they know where you are they saw you 2581 01:56:31,469 --> 01:56:28,929 back when you're weak they saw you in a 2582 01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:31,479 baby right and if they watch you the 2583 01:56:36,510 --> 01:56:33,040 fleet's already on the way 2584 01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:36,520 okay now suppose you find a 2585 01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:42,210 resource-rich planet with element 115 2586 01:56:49,770 --> 01:56:45,810 and you don't want everybody to know 2587 01:56:52,050 --> 01:56:49,780 this your ear secret you're gonna hide 2588 01:56:54,690 --> 01:56:52,060 that you are there you don't want 2589 01:56:58,140 --> 01:56:54,700 everybody up just like the gold rush you 2590 01:56:59,640 --> 01:56:58,150 know that happened in the 1850s sure if 2591 01:57:01,470 --> 01:56:59,650 there's a naturally occurring you know 2592 01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:01,480 in generally with raw materials they're 2593 01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:03,010 gonna be fairly evenly spread around the 2594 01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:04,480 universe you will have systems that have 2595 01:57:08,130 --> 01:57:06,310 a higher concentration of this or that I 2596 01:57:10,410 --> 01:57:08,140 mean they are probably asteroids made of 2597 01:57:12,750 --> 01:57:10,420 almost pure gold lying around from where 2598 01:57:14,670 --> 01:57:12,760 two neutron stars client or white dwarfs 2599 01:57:17,130 --> 01:57:14,680 camera with a creation mechanism for 2600 01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:17,140 gold is outside but you have places like 2601 01:57:21,900 --> 01:57:19,090 that and people don't want those the 2602 01:57:23,220 --> 01:57:21,910 problem is that if it's from your own 2603 01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:23,230 civilization they're going to know you 2604 01:57:26,220 --> 01:57:24,610 would head out there and they're gonna 2605 01:57:27,420 --> 01:57:26,230 come across that pace and you know what 2606 01:57:29,220 --> 01:57:27,430 someone's gonna try to stick your claim 2607 01:57:31,230 --> 01:57:29,230 I'm gonna have it's an alien 2608 01:57:32,490 --> 01:57:31,240 civilization if they order them you they 2609 01:57:33,870 --> 01:57:32,500 could have gotten their force cuz they 2610 01:57:36,030 --> 01:57:33,880 don't need a million years to colonize 2611 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:36,040 whole galaxy and they really want that 2612 01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:38,890 material then you know find was 2613 01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:40,690 keyboards and for sports and gets it and 2614 01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:44,320 they had a time edge you know if they 2615 01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:45,970 came into existence back when the 2616 01:57:50,010 --> 01:57:48,400 dinosaurs were on earth and run the show 2617 01:57:51,930 --> 01:57:50,020 then they've got the whole galaxy by now 2618 01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:51,940 if they want it and were able to take it 2619 01:57:57,390 --> 01:57:54,550 if they're not able to take it then it's 2620 01:58:00,240 --> 01:57:57,400 not an issue and if they didn't want it 2621 01:58:02,070 --> 01:58:00,250 for some reason then it's on issue so we 2622 01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:02,080 know that if they want it and could get 2623 01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:04,170 it they already got it now 2624 01:58:12,420 --> 01:58:08,290 right and so if we go through this type 2625 01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:12,430 of cyclical rise and fall of these 2626 01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,490 civilizations maybe that's why we're not 2627 01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:17,440 seeing the colonization of the universe 2628 01:58:22,110 --> 01:58:19,810 because eventually something bad happens 2629 01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:22,120 well that's the problem is that we know 2630 01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:23,920 it you could have that happen of course 2631 01:58:28,020 --> 01:58:26,530 civilizations do rise and fall but when 2632 01:58:30,990 --> 01:58:28,030 we talk about civilizations in this 2633 01:58:33,380 --> 01:58:31,000 context it's not wrong it's humanity 2634 01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:33,390 right and even Rome when did Rome fall 2635 01:58:36,540 --> 01:58:35,170 you know they are there are so many 2636 01:58:38,580 --> 01:58:36,550 different claim they're you know the 2637 01:58:40,740 --> 01:58:38,590 title and Rome is still very populated 2638 01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:40,750 city that's the center of a major you 2639 01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:43,570 know socio economic religious set up 2640 01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:44,090 right 2641 01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:46,250 so when did Rome fall doesn't 2642 01:58:49,390 --> 01:58:47,810 necessarily matter though humanity is 2643 01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:49,400 kept growing in size that whole time 2644 01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:51,920 some individual star Empire might fall 2645 01:58:56,649 --> 01:58:54,170 down and break up but what knocked it 2646 01:58:59,140 --> 01:58:56,659 over usually somebody else own internal 2647 01:59:00,700 --> 01:58:59,150 feud and then after that initial chaos 2648 01:59:02,530 --> 01:59:00,710 they just keep going back to expanding 2649 01:59:04,419 --> 01:59:02,540 again or some fragment or sprint or them 2650 01:59:07,359 --> 01:59:04,429 picks up the shows and builds back up 2651 01:59:09,609 --> 01:59:07,369 again well that brings my favorite word 2652 01:59:11,950 --> 01:59:09,619 we've got one minute before the break 2653 01:59:12,729 --> 01:59:11,960 we'll circle back after the break is 2654 01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:12,739 entropy 2655 01:59:19,180 --> 01:59:16,610 I mean you've you've you've got a degree 2656 01:59:22,359 --> 01:59:19,190 in physics you understand entropy just 2657 01:59:25,359 --> 01:59:22,369 about as well as anybody is there a way 2658 01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:25,369 for these advanced civilizations to 2659 01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:28,330 overcome the the second law of 2660 01:59:32,410 --> 01:59:30,770 thermodynamics right we can't rule it 2661 01:59:34,689 --> 01:59:32,420 out it'll be the highest priority but 2662 01:59:36,700 --> 01:59:34,699 they can't you know we've all said they 2663 01:59:38,050 --> 01:59:36,710 can postpone it in some major ways 2664 01:59:41,709 --> 01:59:38,060 especially with artificial intelligence 2665 01:59:43,030 --> 01:59:41,719 how would they do it well there's uh I 2666 01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:43,040 don't we could have time for right now 2667 01:59:46,180 --> 01:59:44,570 you want to command yeah well it's uh 2668 01:59:50,350 --> 01:59:46,190 basically they take advantage of the 2669 01:59:52,750 --> 01:59:50,360 cord of eatables being expanded ah I 2670 01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:52,760 like that approach I don't agree with it 2671 01:59:57,100 --> 01:59:54,290 but we're gonna talk about it when we 2672 02:00:00,580 --> 01:59:57,110 come back our guest tonight Isaac 2673 02:00:02,410 --> 02:00:00,590 Arthur artificial intelligence now we're 2674 02:00:04,959 --> 02:00:02,420 discussing artificial intelligence 2675 02:00:06,339 --> 02:00:04,969 throughout the universe this has faded 2676 02:00:10,089 --> 02:00:06,349 black I'm nervous to be church on the 2677 02:00:11,770 --> 02:00:10,099 GameChanger network and kgr a the planet 2678 02:00:13,090 --> 02:00:11,780 more lies ik when we come back after 2679 02:00:17,020 --> 02:00:13,100 this short break stay with us 2680 02:00:17,020 --> 02:00:17,030 [Music] 2681 02:00:24,580 --> 02:00:19,880 my buddy Rob Halford the mental guard on 2682 02:00:30,410 --> 02:00:27,860 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02:05:05,140 this out in a simple way let's go back 2783 02:05:10,530 --> 02:05:08,550 to your comment right before the break 2784 02:05:12,630 --> 02:05:10,540 well if we're talking about just 2785 02:05:14,580 --> 02:05:12,640 sticking inside of what we can do with 2786 02:05:17,070 --> 02:05:14,590 entropy then what we do know is the 2787 02:05:19,140 --> 02:05:17,080 theoretical maximum on most efficient 2788 02:05:20,580 --> 02:05:19,150 computing you can do is linear so I 2789 02:05:22,709 --> 02:05:20,590 invoiced the temperature that you're 2790 02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:22,719 running at so the quarter you get the 2791 02:05:27,390 --> 02:05:24,400 more calculation you get out of every 2792 02:05:28,380 --> 02:05:27,400 little bit of energy and for instance if 2793 02:05:30,479 --> 02:05:28,390 you're calculating in the void of 2794 02:05:31,950 --> 02:05:30,489 intergalactic space it's a hunt I'm 2795 02:05:33,540 --> 02:05:31,960 higher than what is here on earth and 2796 02:05:34,979 --> 02:05:33,550 you can already if you're running at 2797 02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:34,989 that what we call the landau limit 2798 02:05:39,149 --> 02:05:37,090 already run a human mind on something 2799 02:05:42,270 --> 02:05:39,159 like a billion for the amount of energy 2800 02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:42,280 it takes right now and so they could do 2801 02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:43,570 it say 100 billion times more 2802 02:05:47,700 --> 02:05:45,610 efficiently but as the universe expands 2803 02:05:49,590 --> 02:05:47,710 and cools down you keep getting faster 2804 02:05:50,910 --> 02:05:49,600 and faster with your computing so you're 2805 02:05:52,860 --> 02:05:50,920 running out of energy you're running out 2806 02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:52,870 of entropy but you're getting more 2807 02:05:57,209 --> 02:05:54,610 efficient with it because it's getting 2808 02:05:58,649 --> 02:05:57,219 colder and so at that point in time you 2809 02:06:00,899 --> 02:05:58,659 could be running around you know black 2810 02:06:02,130 --> 02:06:00,909 holes to be out to hawking radiation or 2811 02:06:05,149 --> 02:06:02,140 little bits of matter you would dump you 2812 02:06:07,950 --> 02:06:05,159 into one and performing calculations and 2813 02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:07,960 interesting enough if you're in that 2814 02:06:12,450 --> 02:06:09,610 expanding universe you can actually be 2815 02:06:14,610 --> 02:06:12,460 running far more advanced and huge you 2816 02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:14,620 know thinking empires at war than right 2817 02:06:18,660 --> 02:06:16,690 now but to do that of course you have to 2818 02:06:20,580 --> 02:06:18,670 abandon the biological poche and we 2819 02:06:22,770 --> 02:06:20,590 switch over to you know totally computer 2820 02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:22,780 substrates and probably using substrates 2821 02:06:25,569 --> 02:06:24,370 and power collection way beyond anything 2822 02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:25,579 we couldn't even dream of 2823 02:06:30,729 --> 02:06:28,250 now but even if we possible ones at the 2824 02:06:32,770 --> 02:06:30,739 very least to actually stop BD entry 2825 02:06:35,439 --> 02:06:32,780 though nasties need to start looking at 2826 02:06:36,549 --> 02:06:35,449 things like you know multi voices and 2827 02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:36,559 opening up a wormhole to another 2828 02:06:41,919 --> 02:06:38,960 universe to suck energy out of it or 2829 02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:41,929 suck matter out of it or just migrate to 2830 02:06:47,649 --> 02:06:45,679 it now I love this part of physics - and 2831 02:06:50,069 --> 02:06:47,659 and quantum physics getting into this 2832 02:06:53,439 --> 02:06:50,079 discussion what we'll get back to that 2833 02:06:56,640 --> 02:06:53,449 but if we are staying on the second law 2834 02:06:59,890 --> 02:06:56,650 of thermodynamics side of entropy and 2835 02:07:01,870 --> 02:06:59,900 and how physics is is based around that 2836 02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:01,880 which I understand that then there's the 2837 02:07:06,850 --> 02:07:04,610 second definition of entropy which is 2838 02:07:09,310 --> 02:07:06,860 everything starts out simple ends in 2839 02:07:11,950 --> 02:07:09,320 chaos and there's nothing you can do 2840 02:07:13,450 --> 02:07:11,960 about it no free lunches never the ends 2841 02:07:17,500 --> 02:07:13,460 of the end that's right that's right 2842 02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:17,510 wouldn't ET have gone through this many 2843 02:07:23,229 --> 02:07:21,050 times right and know how to look we we 2844 02:07:25,479 --> 02:07:23,239 brought up Rome you brought up Rome 2845 02:07:28,750 --> 02:07:25,489 that's a great example of entropy if you 2846 02:07:31,060 --> 02:07:28,760 ask me where well it doesn't matter if 2847 02:07:34,450 --> 02:07:31,070 it's Rome Greece China Spain Great 2848 02:07:38,049 --> 02:07:34,460 Britain all of those great Empire 2849 02:07:40,299 --> 02:07:38,059 started out simple got too complex kind 2850 02:07:42,879 --> 02:07:40,309 of laugh on themselves and had to 2851 02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:42,889 retreat I've always viewed that as 2852 02:07:47,740 --> 02:07:45,679 entropy playing out in its purest 2853 02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:47,750 definition as well 2854 02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:50,719 we still haven't learned from that we 2855 02:07:56,049 --> 02:07:53,119 haven't we have not figured that out yet 2856 02:07:58,540 --> 02:07:56,059 but et surely has gone through it many 2857 02:07:59,979 --> 02:07:58,550 times right if there's anything cyclical 2858 02:08:01,810 --> 02:07:59,989 it tends to happen they're going to be 2859 02:08:02,890 --> 02:08:01,820 putting all their all their money and 2860 02:08:05,020 --> 02:08:02,900 all their energy into trying to figure 2861 02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:05,030 out ways to so invent that so if society 2862 02:08:08,290 --> 02:08:06,770 is Epona collapsing after a century or 2863 02:08:10,479 --> 02:08:08,300 two they'll be looking for every 2864 02:08:12,549 --> 02:08:10,489 possible way to avoid that or you know 2865 02:08:14,350 --> 02:08:12,559 survive that or push through that 2866 02:08:14,890 --> 02:08:14,360 whether or not they succeed is not a 2867 02:08:16,330 --> 02:08:14,900 question 2868 02:08:18,580 --> 02:08:16,340 same thing French food you know there 2869 02:08:21,010 --> 02:08:18,590 may not be able way around that but if 2870 02:08:23,229 --> 02:08:21,020 there is they'll be throwing every 2871 02:08:25,149 --> 02:08:23,239 resource they've got behind a billion 2872 02:08:28,569 --> 02:08:25,159 plans for a billion years round trying 2873 02:08:31,209 --> 02:08:28,579 to crack that problem now if ET if an 2874 02:08:35,740 --> 02:08:31,219 intelligent civilization out there is 2875 02:08:39,970 --> 02:08:35,750 taking over galaxies one by one 2876 02:08:42,160 --> 02:08:39,980 it would it end up being separate Howard 2877 02:08:45,610 --> 02:08:42,170 should I say this separate civilizations 2878 02:08:48,850 --> 02:08:45,620 or would it be controlled by one central 2879 02:08:50,890 --> 02:08:48,860 government or one central mind yeah we 2880 02:08:52,990 --> 02:08:50,900 might travel nothing is preventing you 2881 02:08:54,970 --> 02:08:53,000 from making one super mind that is 2882 02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:54,980 essentially you know a billion 2883 02:08:58,990 --> 02:08:56,690 matryoshka brains those are computers 2884 02:09:00,730 --> 02:08:59,000 built around an entire stall that just 2885 02:09:03,970 --> 02:09:00,740 run on that now I'll link together and 2886 02:09:07,330 --> 02:09:03,980 some kind of khalaqtu net or universal 2887 02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:07,340 net and that's one of those snows it 2888 02:09:11,710 --> 02:09:09,040 could happen the case like that that 2889 02:09:14,350 --> 02:09:11,720 instead of having a civilization of a 2890 02:09:16,150 --> 02:09:14,360 billion walls with a billion kingdoms 2891 02:09:18,430 --> 02:09:16,160 all wrapped together on some central 2892 02:09:22,510 --> 02:09:18,440 Empire that you just have one big mind 2893 02:09:25,570 --> 02:09:22,520 and now now we're talking about power 2894 02:09:29,200 --> 02:09:25,580 would that be are we talking like a 2895 02:09:31,090 --> 02:09:29,210 Dyson Sphere computer Oh though that's 2896 02:09:32,590 --> 02:09:31,100 just a mask of brain that's a single 2897 02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:32,600 stall you start linking a billion of 2898 02:09:35,500 --> 02:09:34,400 those together that's a whole new one a 2899 02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:35,510 whole new thing 2900 02:09:41,380 --> 02:09:39,650 oh that's us pain what Dyson that's 2901 02:09:43,450 --> 02:09:41,390 basically a Dyson Sphere that's nothing 2902 02:09:45,610 --> 02:09:43,460 but a computer that already has a kind 2903 02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:45,620 of computational power that would let it 2904 02:09:49,770 --> 02:09:48,050 simulate a trillion trillion people as 2905 02:09:52,030 --> 02:09:49,780 though they alive in a virtual world 2906 02:09:53,380 --> 02:09:52,040 it's it's that's and that's about how 2907 02:09:55,540 --> 02:09:53,390 much mind power you're talking about 2908 02:09:57,670 --> 02:09:55,550 they are just using essentially what we 2909 02:09:59,710 --> 02:09:57,680 have on on you know all best computers 2910 02:10:01,600 --> 02:09:59,720 right now stretched out like our 2911 02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:01,610 theoretical limit what's at the table 2912 02:10:06,430 --> 02:10:03,890 they are insanely powerful they have 2913 02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:06,440 access to a billion times the energy 2914 02:10:09,850 --> 02:10:08,570 that the Sun gets the earth and they 2915 02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:09,860 presumably are way more efficiently 2916 02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:11,930 using it and they're doing nothing but 2917 02:10:19,390 --> 02:10:14,480 competing with it that's huge would this 2918 02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:19,400 be AI in its purest definition it would 2919 02:10:23,410 --> 02:10:21,770 be a very powerful thinking engine it 2920 02:10:25,090 --> 02:10:23,420 might be mini thinking engines you might 2921 02:10:27,460 --> 02:10:25,100 do that with an entire civilization way 2922 02:10:29,260 --> 02:10:27,470 just turn them all into computers living 2923 02:10:31,390 --> 02:10:29,270 in a virtual world the people all living 2924 02:10:33,610 --> 02:10:31,400 in a virtual universe essentially or 2925 02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:33,620 could be one massive brain it just 2926 02:10:37,240 --> 02:10:35,930 depends on you know how that goes it 2927 02:10:38,410 --> 02:10:37,250 could be all of the above you know 2928 02:10:41,140 --> 02:10:38,420 there's just a huge amount of 2929 02:10:42,940 --> 02:10:41,150 computational power there then let's 2930 02:10:45,180 --> 02:10:42,950 like what they want to go yeah yeah 2931 02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:45,190 let's stay right there for a second if 2932 02:10:50,460 --> 02:10:48,730 do you see this as being a possibility I 2933 02:10:53,940 --> 02:10:50,470 actually want to ask that direct 2934 02:10:57,720 --> 02:10:53,950 question I mean nice it's great science 2935 02:11:00,750 --> 02:10:57,730 fiction but if that do you believe that 2936 02:11:05,460 --> 02:11:00,760 that would be possible a simulated 2937 02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:05,470 universe it should be I it depends I 2938 02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:06,970 mean we do them right now every video 2939 02:11:11,250 --> 02:11:09,010 game is a simulator universe it just 2940 02:11:12,570 --> 02:11:11,260 depends on you if we were living inside 2941 02:11:14,070 --> 02:11:12,580 one ourselves for instance there's a 2942 02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:14,080 good chance that whatever simulating us 2943 02:11:18,180 --> 02:11:15,760 is a much more complicated universe than 2944 02:11:20,820 --> 02:11:18,190 what we are but anytime you any kind of 2945 02:11:22,770 --> 02:11:20,830 see later or say well it was a MMORPGs 2946 02:11:25,650 --> 02:11:22,780 people who like to play like Warcraft 2947 02:11:29,070 --> 02:11:25,660 those are simulated universes in a very 2948 02:11:29,940 --> 02:11:29,080 real way there was all real places we'd 2949 02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:29,950 be talking about something that was 2950 02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:31,690 orders of magnitude more sophisticated 2951 02:11:35,790 --> 02:11:34,090 but at the end of the day it just 2952 02:11:37,470 --> 02:11:35,800 depends on whether or not you're saying 2953 02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:37,480 someone who lives our computer chip is a 2954 02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:38,890 person or not doesn't actually matter 2955 02:11:42,750 --> 02:11:40,450 what substrate they're on does it have 2956 02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:42,760 to be neurons or computer chips is it 2957 02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:44,770 possible you can never make you more 2958 02:11:49,530 --> 02:11:46,690 complicated simulation than the thing 2959 02:11:50,580 --> 02:11:49,540 that's actually simulating it but you 2960 02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:50,590 don't actually have to simulate every 2961 02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:53,650 atom in a simulated universe for it to 2962 02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:55,810 be a good simulation yeah you know you 2963 02:11:59,070 --> 02:11:57,370 could model all universe quite 2964 02:12:00,930 --> 02:11:59,080 accurately with probably just one match 2965 02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:00,940 goska pain to the point that we 2966 02:12:05,340 --> 02:12:02,530 ourselves would probably not notice we 2967 02:12:08,010 --> 02:12:05,350 own a simulation I have been playing I 2968 02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:08,020 just started a couple of weeks ago mind 2969 02:12:15,180 --> 02:12:08,890 blown 2970 02:12:19,410 --> 02:12:15,190 no man's sky and the ideas behind no 2971 02:12:22,830 --> 02:12:19,420 man's sky is now it sounds way too 2972 02:12:25,110 --> 02:12:22,840 complex an impossible game to have made 2973 02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:25,120 it's actually very simple and it's very 2974 02:12:31,860 --> 02:12:28,690 elegant in that these trillions of 2975 02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:31,870 worlds that are there each one is 2976 02:12:37,140 --> 02:12:34,480 created with artificial intelligence 2977 02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:37,150 it's machine learning it's creating its 2978 02:12:42,780 --> 02:12:41,050 own world for you and nobody in the game 2979 02:12:45,780 --> 02:12:42,790 can visit the same world twice 2980 02:12:47,250 --> 02:12:45,790 theoretically yeah it's procedurally 2981 02:12:48,630 --> 02:12:47,260 generated memory so as I thought a lot 2982 02:12:50,850 --> 02:12:48,640 about from my audience thought not have 2983 02:12:52,620 --> 02:12:50,860 occasion to play it myself but you know 2984 02:12:55,410 --> 02:12:52,630 those old things we might stop seen and 2985 02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:55,420 pop up the most sophisticated walls that 2986 02:12:57,959 --> 02:12:56,800 you can build a portion for simulation 2987 02:13:00,030 --> 02:12:57,969 are probably gonna be those that have a 2988 02:13:00,959 --> 02:13:00,040 lot of people and resources involved on 2989 02:13:02,070 --> 02:13:00,969 our end 2990 02:13:04,260 --> 02:13:02,080 so those were probably shield 2991 02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:04,270 environments but people could easily in 2992 02:13:08,729 --> 02:13:06,370 the Pantone simulated waltz even was 2993 02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:08,739 like a house valley somewhere that was 2994 02:13:11,850 --> 02:13:10,330 simulated that was just where they that 2995 02:13:14,189 --> 02:13:11,860 was like their house they lived in you 2996 02:13:17,189 --> 02:13:14,199 know might be the quotient rule in their 2997 02:13:18,959 --> 02:13:17,199 house they spent our time in you know 2998 02:13:22,050 --> 02:13:18,969 it's so hard to see how that's gonna go 2999 02:13:24,540 --> 02:13:22,060 we've looked at that and and the problem 3000 02:13:27,750 --> 02:13:24,550 you always hit with those is you have to 3001 02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:27,760 side is the term virtual Ward as some 3002 02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:29,890 level of sophistication actually 3003 02:13:33,689 --> 02:13:31,690 meaningful anymore or should we be these 3004 02:13:35,970 --> 02:13:33,699 fortune Awards as no different than 3005 02:13:36,450 --> 02:13:35,980 going in colonizing Mars or Alpha 3006 02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:36,460 Centauri 3007 02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:40,570 now as you and I talk about this here we 3008 02:13:48,510 --> 02:13:46,239 are in 2020 and if somebody was out 3009 02:13:51,209 --> 02:13:48,520 there observing our planet with the 3010 02:13:55,020 --> 02:13:51,219 telescope they're not seeing you and die 3011 02:13:58,020 --> 02:13:55,030 right now right they're seeing they're 3012 02:14:00,090 --> 02:13:58,030 seeing Earth from whatever a million 3013 02:14:01,890 --> 02:14:00,100 Mars history yeah they've seen it from 3014 02:14:04,050 --> 02:14:01,900 how many light-years away it is and use 3015 02:14:08,580 --> 02:14:04,060 you're right so would they would they be 3016 02:14:10,890 --> 02:14:08,590 looking at it's so it's most people 3017 02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:10,900 don't wrap their mind around it this way 3018 02:14:17,790 --> 02:14:15,010 they think they assume and naturally 3019 02:14:20,610 --> 02:14:17,800 that if you're in your backyard looking 3020 02:14:23,340 --> 02:14:20,620 at a distant star in the telescope that 3021 02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:23,350 you're looking at that star in its 3022 02:14:29,490 --> 02:14:26,050 potential planet that is orbiting it in 3023 02:14:32,520 --> 02:14:29,500 the now now but you are not you are 3024 02:14:36,030 --> 02:14:32,530 looking at the ancient version of said 3025 02:14:37,890 --> 02:14:36,040 star and planet right yep now one can 3026 02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:37,900 kind of get into the more 3027 02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:39,730 philosophically ins of El Torito argue 3028 02:14:43,439 --> 02:14:41,890 that that time does not run the same in 3029 02:14:45,689 --> 02:14:43,449 all places and that for all practical 3030 02:14:46,830 --> 02:14:45,699 purposes is they are human now because 3031 02:14:49,110 --> 02:14:46,840 that's what you're connected to by 3032 02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:49,120 causality but yeah that was all ancient 3033 02:14:52,650 --> 02:14:50,650 you know yoking at the Andromeda galaxy 3034 02:14:55,110 --> 02:14:52,660 that's what was two million years ago 3035 02:14:57,750 --> 02:14:55,120 for we discovered file that is ancient 3036 02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:57,760 Ilkka pH falling Galactic Empire by now 3037 02:15:01,439 --> 02:14:59,440 and we wouldn't have seen it if there's 3038 02:15:04,530 --> 02:15:01,449 no faster and like you know way for them 3039 02:15:10,200 --> 02:15:04,540 to get to us which takes me to my point 3040 02:15:12,360 --> 02:15:10,210 so Arthur for you as you are looking for 3041 02:15:14,140 --> 02:15:12,370 and thinking about and contemplating 3042 02:15:16,570 --> 02:15:14,150 ancient civilizations out 3043 02:15:19,930 --> 02:15:16,580 and dromeda our closest galactic 3044 02:15:22,590 --> 02:15:19,940 neighbor is still two million light 3045 02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:22,600 years away and it's right next door 3046 02:15:27,370 --> 02:15:25,370 right that's our clothes and that's two 3047 02:15:30,070 --> 02:15:27,380 million light years so they're 3048 02:15:32,770 --> 02:15:30,080 observations of us are from two million 3049 02:15:35,649 --> 02:15:32,780 years ago if they're looking in in real 3050 02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:35,659 time with the telescope and us the same 3051 02:15:41,560 --> 02:15:39,199 for them how do we speed that up or 3052 02:15:43,570 --> 02:15:41,570 because we're looking at two million 3053 02:15:46,630 --> 02:15:43,580 years ago we're not looking at a 3054 02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:46,640 civilization that has risen in the 3055 02:15:51,700 --> 02:15:50,570 million years in the middle right we 3056 02:15:52,840 --> 02:15:51,710 have no way of knowing if there's 3057 02:15:54,370 --> 02:15:52,850 anything there until we get there 3058 02:15:56,050 --> 02:15:54,380 ourselves and even those of us back here 3059 02:15:57,669 --> 02:15:56,060 on earth won't know about it so it's 3060 02:15:59,169 --> 02:15:57,679 really old news you know you send off a 3061 02:16:01,149 --> 02:15:59,179 fleet there to go check and they get 3062 02:16:02,740 --> 02:16:01,159 they oh say ten million years from now 3063 02:16:04,660 --> 02:16:02,750 and then we get the signal back from 3064 02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:04,670 them twelve million years from now 3065 02:16:09,910 --> 02:16:07,130 and it's it's this it's just this 3066 02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:09,920 overwhelming burden that comes from the 3067 02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:11,210 light lag involved and trying to 3068 02:16:15,340 --> 02:16:13,040 maintain a civilization over your time 3069 02:16:17,320 --> 02:16:15,350 communication that's why of course it's 3070 02:16:19,899 --> 02:16:17,330 so much desire would have fast night 3071 02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:19,909 communication now that kind of prevents 3072 02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:21,050 you from having a lot of these big 3073 02:16:24,910 --> 02:16:23,570 empires themselves because how they keep 3074 02:16:27,580 --> 02:16:24,920 themselves connected but it doesn't 3075 02:16:29,439 --> 02:16:27,590 prevent colonization because again same 3076 02:16:31,270 --> 02:16:29,449 as primitive tribes could spread out and 3077 02:16:33,310 --> 02:16:31,280 never hear from their their Splinter's 3078 02:16:34,929 --> 02:16:33,320 their colonization by them still took 3079 02:16:36,009 --> 02:16:34,939 place they just migrated that new area 3080 02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:36,019 didn't matter they couldn't communicate 3081 02:16:40,810 --> 02:16:39,290 back to home but yeah there was those 3082 02:16:43,450 --> 02:16:40,820 things would be ancient you could have a 3083 02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:43,460 civilization that was a million years 3084 02:16:47,709 --> 02:16:46,160 old you know a few million light years 3085 02:16:49,929 --> 02:16:47,719 to neon we still won't be able to touch 3086 02:16:52,419 --> 02:16:49,939 them for millions of years even though 3087 02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:52,429 they've been around so long and they 3088 02:16:55,839 --> 02:16:54,410 wouldn't know about us yet and they 3089 02:16:57,820 --> 02:16:55,849 would see although then if we're there 3090 02:16:58,839 --> 02:16:57,830 to be enough telescope which I don't 3091 02:17:00,040 --> 02:16:58,849 know if you can actually build one big 3092 02:17:03,219 --> 02:17:00,050 enough to see a planet from another 3093 02:17:05,230 --> 02:17:03,229 galaxy that'd be tricky but um you know 3094 02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:05,240 if they could see us then they would see 3095 02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:07,280 us however many million years ago they 3096 02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:09,530 were all away and they might be a 3097 02:17:14,049 --> 02:17:12,170 protect us by you know the all the 3098 02:17:15,850 --> 02:17:14,059 importance of some additional fire on 3099 02:17:17,919 --> 02:17:15,860 the planet but more likely they know we 3100 02:17:19,629 --> 02:17:17,929 were inhabited by you know too much 3101 02:17:20,980 --> 02:17:19,639 oxygen in the atmosphere wouldn't tell 3102 02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:20,990 them that there was a civilization they 3103 02:17:26,190 --> 02:17:22,370 ever would say there's life for instance 3104 02:17:30,209 --> 02:17:26,200 is this why we should just focus on 3105 02:17:32,970 --> 02:17:30,219 the Milky Way yes and no that's the 3106 02:17:34,980 --> 02:17:32,980 tricky part the thing is we've tend to 3107 02:17:36,540 --> 02:17:34,990 start looking at galaxies as though 3108 02:17:38,370 --> 02:17:36,550 they're isolated pockets because that's 3109 02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:38,380 so much of how stars are you know 3110 02:17:43,050 --> 02:17:41,050 starless all tell you their pockets the 3111 02:17:45,570 --> 02:17:43,060 the solar system that we live in even 3112 02:17:47,820 --> 02:17:45,580 all the way out to Pluto is a 3113 02:17:49,980 --> 02:17:47,830 quadrillion of the volume that our Sun 3114 02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:49,990 dominates gravitationally and that you 3115 02:17:56,010 --> 02:17:53,650 could call it the Suns territoy galaxies 3116 02:17:57,720 --> 02:17:56,020 it's not like that galaxies for instance 3117 02:17:59,100 --> 02:17:57,730 always is a conglomeration of a dozen 3118 02:18:01,470 --> 02:17:59,110 little galaxies we've eaten over the 3119 02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:01,480 last few billion years there is no real 3120 02:18:06,570 --> 02:18:04,240 into the Milky Way or into and round or 3121 02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:06,580 beginning they're all stalls out between 3122 02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:08,170 the galaxies and indeed there might be 3123 02:18:12,810 --> 02:18:10,450 more stars in between galaxies than in 3124 02:18:14,459 --> 02:18:12,820 them but what other that's more not it's 3125 02:18:17,250 --> 02:18:14,469 quite a lot they'll spread out way 3126 02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,260 thinner but there is no edge it's more 3127 02:18:23,490 --> 02:18:20,160 like continents you know or archipelagos 3128 02:18:25,260 --> 02:18:23,500 you and your galaxy maybe two million 3129 02:18:26,850 --> 02:18:25,270 light years away but that galaxy itself 3130 02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:26,860 is you know a hundred thousand two and 3131 02:18:31,230 --> 02:18:28,810 thousand light years across and that's 3132 02:18:33,810 --> 02:18:31,240 just the main galaxy out past that you 3133 02:18:35,070 --> 02:18:33,820 still have the rural areas as a law all 3134 02:18:37,170 --> 02:18:35,080 these little stars have been ejected 3135 02:18:39,500 --> 02:18:37,180 from the systems you know no nebulae 3136 02:18:41,520 --> 02:18:39,510 there might be four between galaxies 3137 02:18:46,050 --> 02:18:41,530 it's a mystery a land bridge between 3138 02:18:48,570 --> 02:18:46,060 them there is another part to this that 3139 02:18:50,850 --> 02:18:48,580 I find fascinating by the way have you 3140 02:18:53,820 --> 02:18:50,860 read Brian Greene's new book until the 3141 02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:53,830 end of time not yet okay well that's a 3142 02:19:02,730 --> 02:18:58,240 must read but one of the things that I 3143 02:19:06,180 --> 02:19:02,740 have been hearing in the rock star 3144 02:19:08,190 --> 02:19:06,190 physics physicists circles which I I 3145 02:19:10,770 --> 02:19:08,200 love these guys gossip better than 3146 02:19:14,060 --> 02:19:10,780 anybody but one of the things that they 3147 02:19:18,470 --> 02:19:14,070 are talking about now this chatter is 3148 02:19:20,510 --> 02:19:18,480 that there is no end to the universe 3149 02:19:23,459 --> 02:19:20,520 potentially that the universe is 3150 02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:23,469 absolutely indeed infinite and it 3151 02:19:30,330 --> 02:19:27,610 extends out and that the Big Bang wasn't 3152 02:19:33,450 --> 02:19:30,340 may not be the start of time it's just 3153 02:19:36,470 --> 02:19:33,460 one of many big bangs inside of our 3154 02:19:38,490 --> 02:19:36,480 universe which would explain galaxies 3155 02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:38,500 popping in all directions 3156 02:19:44,850 --> 02:19:41,110 because there may have been an infinite 3157 02:19:47,970 --> 02:19:44,860 amount of big bangs and the start of 3158 02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:47,980 time wasn't 13.8 billion years ago oh 3159 02:19:53,070 --> 02:19:50,530 it's a popular theory and you felt like 3160 02:19:54,900 --> 02:19:53,080 that well most folks what about the take 3161 02:19:56,580 --> 02:19:54,910 mark multiverse theories and writings 3162 02:19:58,440 --> 02:19:56,590 like that but Brian Green has Zone two 3163 02:19:59,820 --> 02:19:58,450 and we actually have an episode I 3164 02:20:01,530 --> 02:19:59,830 already produced it but won't be coming 3165 02:20:04,530 --> 02:20:01,540 out for a month or so but it comes out 3166 02:20:07,620 --> 02:20:04,540 honey pill on parallel universes me walk 3167 02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:07,630 through each what those all and Brian 3168 02:20:12,360 --> 02:20:09,760 Green does have bunch of the ones he's 3169 02:20:14,340 --> 02:20:12,370 classified and the crew two multiverse 3170 02:20:15,390 --> 02:20:14,350 Flynn's instance is the one you're kind 3171 02:20:17,580 --> 02:20:15,400 of speaking of there where you have an 3172 02:20:20,730 --> 02:20:17,590 infinite amount of space but it's broke 3173 02:20:22,470 --> 02:20:20,740 up into smaller observable universes or 3174 02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:22,480 and that's totally allowed inside they 3175 02:20:26,220 --> 02:20:24,370 didn't own Big Bang right we know you 3176 02:20:28,860 --> 02:20:26,230 observable universe well we don't know 3177 02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:28,870 for sure but in all probability absorber 3178 02:20:33,900 --> 02:20:31,330 universes smaller than the total 3179 02:20:36,420 --> 02:20:33,910 universe because otherwise we're the 3180 02:20:39,960 --> 02:20:36,430 exact center of the universe that'll be 3181 02:20:41,790 --> 02:20:39,970 a bit bizarre more likely yes it's like 3182 02:20:43,500 --> 02:20:41,800 if you're standing in a warehouse with 3183 02:20:45,960 --> 02:20:43,510 just a little candle or you can't see 3184 02:20:47,490 --> 02:20:45,970 the wall escribe and if you can't see 3185 02:20:50,760 --> 02:20:47,500 any the lowest values that this pole 3186 02:20:51,930 --> 02:20:50,770 lies a circle you know you're not you 3187 02:20:53,550 --> 02:20:51,940 know you're the warehouse is probably 3188 02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:53,560 much bigger than your candle light is 3189 02:20:57,840 --> 02:20:55,930 because you probably be positioned to 3190 02:20:59,970 --> 02:20:57,850 see it one wall it'd be a few being the 3191 02:21:01,410 --> 02:20:59,980 exact center and it's kind of same 3192 02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:01,420 notion they oh we don't know if the 3193 02:21:06,180 --> 02:21:04,000 whole universe without even getting the 3194 02:21:08,010 --> 02:21:06,190 multiverse is just this universe is a 3195 02:21:10,620 --> 02:21:08,020 little bit bigger than the observable 3196 02:21:13,260 --> 02:21:10,630 portion or infinite or anywhere in 3197 02:21:15,090 --> 02:21:13,270 between but it's probably a good deal 3198 02:21:16,770 --> 02:21:15,100 pick it has to be at least ten or twelve 3199 02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:16,780 times big just to make it realistic that 3200 02:21:23,430 --> 02:21:19,810 we could not be seeing one of the edges 3201 02:21:28,830 --> 02:21:23,440 but there's also no channel what's when 3202 02:21:30,300 --> 02:21:28,840 it's called ah there's the here I think 3203 02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:30,310 he has nine different versions of 3204 02:21:33,870 --> 02:21:31,690 multi-force he goes through but one of 3205 02:21:35,220 --> 02:21:33,880 those is that they all lots of big bangs 3206 02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:35,230 that go on and this usually ties a 3207 02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:37,210 little bit into or not string theory but 3208 02:21:42,090 --> 02:21:39,610 brain brain theory which is well M 3209 02:21:43,380 --> 02:21:42,100 theory which is very similar to it which 3210 02:21:46,140 --> 02:21:43,390 the notion that you have on all these 3211 02:21:47,490 --> 02:21:46,150 the membrane universes three-dimensional 3212 02:21:48,840 --> 02:21:47,500 but we picture them two-dimensional a 3213 02:21:50,370 --> 02:21:48,850 that kind of collide into each other 3214 02:21:51,070 --> 02:21:50,380 every swapped and that sets off a big 3215 02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:51,080 bang 3216 02:21:57,400 --> 02:21:55,250 and it's one of the way you should have 3217 02:22:00,330 --> 02:21:57,410 a multi-force where you just have a ton 3218 02:22:02,890 --> 02:22:00,340 of these observable universes that are 3219 02:22:05,830 --> 02:22:02,900 not really connected to each other but 3220 02:22:07,450 --> 02:22:05,840 do have some overlap but then you also 3221 02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:07,460 the possibilities just a bigger universe 3222 02:22:10,511 --> 02:22:09,200 underneath where you have localized Big 3223 02:22:12,130 --> 02:22:10,521 Bang's pop up and there's been a number 3224 02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:12,140 of theories along those lines even 3225 02:22:16,210 --> 02:22:14,570 dating back to state state theory that 3226 02:22:17,770 --> 02:22:16,220 you know Big Bang's might just be 3227 02:22:20,620 --> 02:22:17,780 localized things and happen is so often 3228 02:22:22,511 --> 02:22:20,630 when quantum energy gets too weak as an 3229 02:22:24,910 --> 02:22:22,521 example the big rip theory Owens fond of 3230 02:22:26,620 --> 02:22:24,920 in that the expansion evos keeps getting 3231 02:22:29,290 --> 02:22:26,630 stronger and stronger and to convince 3232 02:22:30,910 --> 02:22:29,300 the whip quark support well I think 3233 02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:30,920 about when you put you quarks apart is 3234 02:22:35,530 --> 02:22:34,010 that quacks cannot exist in isolation if 3235 02:22:37,870 --> 02:22:35,540 you pour two quarks apart you produce 3236 02:22:39,820 --> 02:22:37,880 two new quark pairs and you pour those 3237 02:22:41,770 --> 02:22:39,830 about you now have four new quark pairs 3238 02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:41,780 so if you're ripping quark support you 3239 02:22:45,730 --> 02:22:43,370 could all you bleed up producing a big 3240 02:22:47,740 --> 02:22:45,740 bag just from that so in some big rip 3241 02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:47,750 portions you would actually have that 3242 02:22:52,930 --> 02:22:50,960 happen and responds new infinite numbers 3243 02:22:55,060 --> 02:22:52,940 of new universes Constantine spawned by 3244 02:22:58,090 --> 02:22:55,070 this expansion object whatever the 3245 02:23:02,261 --> 02:22:58,100 universe gets to a certain point it 3246 02:23:03,820 --> 02:23:02,271 shreds itself and bang Big Bang now okay 3247 02:23:07,350 --> 02:23:03,830 let me ask you this I know that you're 3248 02:23:10,450 --> 02:23:07,360 getting married on Saturday we've got 3249 02:23:12,250 --> 02:23:10,460 six minutes left in the show or I can 3250 02:23:14,520 --> 02:23:12,260 hold you over for another twenty minutes 3251 02:23:17,261 --> 02:23:14,530 into some overtime 3252 02:23:19,570 --> 02:23:17,271 okay because I've got some very deep 3253 02:23:21,640 --> 02:23:19,580 questions that can't get answered that 3254 02:23:24,460 --> 02:23:21,650 quickly but let's say let's stay here 3255 02:23:28,570 --> 02:23:24,470 for a second when it comes to artificial 3256 02:23:31,960 --> 02:23:28,580 intelligence and the grand creator 3257 02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:31,970 whatever you want to call that whether 3258 02:23:40,920 --> 02:23:36,080 it's God spirituality or an artificial 3259 02:23:44,380 --> 02:23:40,930 intelligence is it is it possible that 3260 02:23:49,210 --> 02:23:44,390 an artificial intelligence that has been 3261 02:23:52,020 --> 02:23:49,220 around forever previous universes 3262 02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:52,030 lagging over and we're going to get to 3263 02:23:56,380 --> 02:23:54,650 Brian greens until the end of the time 3264 02:23:59,290 --> 02:23:56,390 one of the things he talks about in the 3265 02:24:02,770 --> 02:23:59,300 closing of the book but could the 3266 02:24:04,510 --> 02:24:02,780 universes and these special moments of 3267 02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:04,520 stability that 3268 02:24:16,090 --> 02:24:10,880 cause a big bang be created by by by an 3269 02:24:18,130 --> 02:24:16,100 intelligence quite possibly that 3270 02:24:19,330 --> 02:24:18,140 Congress is a simulation theory and yes 3271 02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:19,340 essentially if you can create a 3272 02:24:23,859 --> 02:24:22,130 simulator universe then you simply 3273 02:24:25,510 --> 02:24:23,869 that's why do you what's the difference 3274 02:24:27,279 --> 02:24:25,520 in terms of how you choose to name them 3275 02:24:29,319 --> 02:24:27,289 we sometimes suggest that black holes 3276 02:24:31,630 --> 02:24:29,329 might when they form spot a new universe 3277 02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:31,640 is that any different than a universe 3278 02:24:35,050 --> 02:24:33,170 creating a very large computer and 3279 02:24:37,420 --> 02:24:35,060 creating a virtual universe on their 3280 02:24:40,359 --> 02:24:37,430 computer yes still you know Turtles all 3281 02:24:42,760 --> 02:24:40,369 the way down at war whether it's on a 3282 02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:42,770 computer chip or through someone known 3283 02:24:46,210 --> 02:24:45,680 physics or different rules or God take 3284 02:24:48,729 --> 02:24:46,220 your pick 3285 02:24:51,340 --> 02:24:48,739 that's functionally identical in many 3286 02:24:52,510 --> 02:24:51,350 ways so is it possible we don't know 3287 02:24:55,779 --> 02:24:52,520 enough about the physical laws the 3288 02:24:57,429 --> 02:24:55,789 universe to say if it is or not plus in 3289 02:24:59,050 --> 02:24:57,439 a simulation you presumably don't have 3290 02:25:00,790 --> 02:24:59,060 the same physical laws in the universe 3291 02:25:04,029 --> 02:25:00,800 above you unless they specifically aim 3292 02:25:05,500 --> 02:25:04,039 for that so you won't even go to know as 3293 02:25:06,939 --> 02:25:05,510 with any case like that when you go to a 3294 02:25:09,099 --> 02:25:06,949 creator situation whether it's a 3295 02:25:11,290 --> 02:25:09,109 simulation or your blah blah take your 3296 02:25:15,370 --> 02:25:11,300 pick you know you only know about them 3297 02:25:18,069 --> 02:25:15,380 if they commit you to improve you inside 3298 02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:18,079 one is it too deep of a philosophical 3299 02:25:27,519 --> 02:25:23,840 issue to suggest that everything may be 3300 02:25:30,729 --> 02:25:27,529 way beyond chance you know it's way 3301 02:25:33,099 --> 02:25:30,739 beyond the probabilities and and what 3302 02:25:36,819 --> 02:25:33,109 math and equations and algorithms can 3303 02:25:39,340 --> 02:25:36,829 show you that it could only have been 3304 02:25:42,429 --> 02:25:39,350 done by an artificial intelligence of 3305 02:25:43,870 --> 02:25:42,439 some kind ah you know that's always a 3306 02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:43,880 really tricky thing to go for they oh 3307 02:25:47,260 --> 02:25:45,680 and and you I try to stick strictly 3308 02:25:49,179 --> 02:25:47,270 inside of what we can absorb naturally 3309 02:25:51,370 --> 02:25:49,189 and the pom with with physics is that's 3310 02:25:53,290 --> 02:25:51,380 the study of the natural universe right 3311 02:25:54,910 --> 02:25:53,300 when you get outside of the natural laws 3312 02:25:56,469 --> 02:25:54,920 you can only ever interpret that data 3313 02:25:58,029 --> 02:25:56,479 from a natural perspective because 3314 02:26:00,069 --> 02:25:58,039 that's your starting point you're saying 3315 02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:00,079 I'm assuming everything is natural and 3316 02:26:05,830 --> 02:26:03,770 study Abul so you can't really prove 3317 02:26:07,660 --> 02:26:05,840 anything supernatural weather will say 3318 02:26:10,929 --> 02:26:07,670 from Ohio universe or which other guess 3319 02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:10,939 happens to be from kind of context of 3320 02:26:16,899 --> 02:26:13,850 looking at natural laws it's it's not 3321 02:26:18,340 --> 02:26:16,909 really gonna sync up right you cannot 3322 02:26:20,500 --> 02:26:18,350 prove you inside a simulation 3323 02:26:22,780 --> 02:26:20,510 unless the person simulating you lets 3324 02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:22,790 you do so that's right the same thing is 3325 02:26:25,899 --> 02:26:24,409 gonna apply to you know if you want to 3326 02:26:28,300 --> 02:26:25,909 do it I just replace the world computer 3327 02:26:30,910 --> 02:26:28,310 with you know psychic energy astral 3328 02:26:32,500 --> 02:26:30,920 plane hi Oh universe having very you 3329 02:26:34,510 --> 02:26:32,510 know they'll functionally identical in 3330 02:26:36,370 --> 02:26:34,520 terms of how we define them you cannot 3331 02:26:37,780 --> 02:26:36,380 prove inside those by studying the 3332 02:26:40,840 --> 02:26:37,790 natural laws they are that that place 3333 02:26:44,290 --> 02:26:40,850 above does not exist it's not possible 3334 02:26:47,320 --> 02:26:44,300 no right and this is and and whether 3335 02:26:49,450 --> 02:26:47,330 word it doesn't matter which physicists 3336 02:26:51,550 --> 02:26:49,460 or theoretical physicists quantum that 3337 02:26:54,130 --> 02:26:51,560 we're talking about here one of the 3338 02:26:56,590 --> 02:26:54,140 things that they all know is that 3339 02:27:00,700 --> 02:26:56,600 quantum physics or however you want to 3340 02:27:02,229 --> 02:27:00,710 look at it is still misunderstood and 3341 02:27:04,809 --> 02:27:02,239 that they don't even understand it and 3342 02:27:07,540 --> 02:27:04,819 that even Einstein's equations only take 3343 02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:07,550 you so far all right that gives 3344 02:27:10,120 --> 02:27:09,170 addictive what happens from quantum but 3345 02:27:11,530 --> 02:27:10,130 we have I mean we have a bunch of 3346 02:27:13,330 --> 02:27:11,540 different interpretations is not just 3347 02:27:14,769 --> 02:27:13,340 Copenhagen or multi-voice there are tons 3348 02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:14,779 amount they'll they'll I predict the 3349 02:27:18,399 --> 02:27:16,399 same result that's how we say is correct 3350 02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:18,409 theory but we have no way of testing 3351 02:27:25,269 --> 02:27:19,760 which of these is correct at this time 3352 02:27:27,670 --> 02:27:25,279 and so without being able to go back to 3353 02:27:30,490 --> 02:27:27,680 the exact moment of the Big Bang at the 3354 02:27:33,010 --> 02:27:30,500 start of the time today as we know it if 3355 02:27:35,880 --> 02:27:33,020 you can't go back there and the math 3356 02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:35,890 won't let it only let you get so close 3357 02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:39,010 is that the part of it that becomes 3358 02:27:43,599 --> 02:27:41,840 philosophical at that point it just 3359 02:27:44,979 --> 02:27:43,609 depends on whether or not the existing 3360 02:27:46,510 --> 02:27:44,989 you've lost that you check these things 3361 02:27:48,130 --> 02:27:46,520 for instance if we were able to detect 3362 02:27:50,559 --> 02:27:48,140 another Big Bang going on locally 3363 02:27:52,359 --> 02:27:50,569 because just a theory around it but from 3364 02:27:54,490 --> 02:27:52,369 what we can see right now we probably 3365 02:27:58,030 --> 02:27:54,500 cannot have approve or disprove the 3366 02:27:59,920 --> 02:27:58,040 existence of multi forces but we've only 3367 02:28:02,290 --> 02:27:59,930 been studying the problem for not even a 3368 02:28:04,929 --> 02:28:02,300 century yet so new things might occur 3369 02:28:07,689 --> 02:28:04,939 but it is kind of a coin problem with 3370 02:28:09,939 --> 02:28:07,699 with quantum is we don't really know why 3371 02:28:13,090 --> 02:28:09,949 it walks that way we know how it walks 3372 02:28:14,170 --> 02:28:13,100 in this universe but why not so much and 3373 02:28:14,590 --> 02:28:14,180 it's the same problem we have with the 3374 02:28:19,290 --> 02:28:14,600 Big Bang 3375 02:28:22,300 --> 02:28:19,300 to violate your conservation of 3376 02:28:24,760 --> 02:28:22,310 presumably energy and entropy in the 3377 02:28:27,580 --> 02:28:24,770 first place no clue maybe it didn't 3378 02:28:30,099 --> 02:28:27,590 maybe it's just an example of a Poincare 3379 02:28:31,010 --> 02:28:30,109 system where it was all entropy but a 3380 02:28:32,929 --> 02:28:31,020 pattern of those 3381 02:28:35,090 --> 02:28:32,939 randomly you know you shuffled I could 3382 02:28:36,590 --> 02:28:35,100 call it enough times it's gonna fall 3383 02:28:38,870 --> 02:28:36,600 back into its suit you know skiing high 3384 02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:38,880 entropy each time eventually a missense 3385 02:28:44,300 --> 02:28:41,850 is that it's a motion you had if it's a 3386 02:28:47,569 --> 02:28:44,310 stay state one is that physics tapping 3387 02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:47,579 out I even I mean are you tapping out on 3388 02:28:52,550 --> 02:28:50,130 the mat are you calling uncle I mean no 3389 02:28:54,439 --> 02:28:52,560 definitely not but I'm saying at the 3390 02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:54,449 moment we can't you know one thing we 3391 02:28:58,099 --> 02:28:55,439 always have to be careful with in 3392 02:28:59,899 --> 02:28:58,109 science just because so far we found 3393 02:29:01,279 --> 02:28:59,909 answers to everything we should not 3394 02:29:04,790 --> 02:29:01,289 assume that we were always gonna get 3395 02:29:06,439 --> 02:29:04,800 answers to any questions it was right we 3396 02:29:08,090 --> 02:29:06,449 we can't just be saying well we've 3397 02:29:10,099 --> 02:29:08,100 always gotten these answers so we're 3398 02:29:11,990 --> 02:29:10,109 gonna get the next ones too however 3399 02:29:15,529 --> 02:29:12,000 there's no other way to approach it you 3400 02:29:18,170 --> 02:29:15,539 know what should we do stop yeah we're 3401 02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:18,180 doing time I mean can you imagine you 3402 02:29:23,870 --> 02:29:21,359 know Sean Carroll or Brian Greene or 3403 02:29:28,929 --> 02:29:23,880 yourself you know whatever going you 3404 02:29:31,639 --> 02:29:28,939 know what okay we get it was just random 3405 02:29:33,679 --> 02:29:31,649 it's it's possible like okay I'll give 3406 02:29:36,590 --> 02:29:33,689 you example under quantum theory it's 3407 02:29:38,210 --> 02:29:36,600 possible for any any group of atoms to 3408 02:29:39,469 --> 02:29:38,220 kind of spontaneously mutate into 3409 02:29:41,960 --> 02:29:39,479 another group of atoms it's highly 3410 02:29:44,569 --> 02:29:41,970 improbable but for instance a few atoms 3411 02:29:46,700 --> 02:29:44,579 returning from carbon into you know a 3412 02:29:47,809 --> 02:29:46,710 single sugar molecule that's really of 3413 02:29:49,790 --> 02:29:47,819 course since there's a finite chance 3414 02:29:52,040 --> 02:29:49,800 that there's a smaller but finite chance 3415 02:29:54,559 --> 02:29:52,050 that a random Rock could turn into a 3416 02:29:56,899 --> 02:29:54,569 kiddie ball or that the Statue of 3417 02:29:59,359 --> 02:29:56,909 Liberty could mutate into a big golden 3418 02:30:01,370 --> 02:29:59,369 calf and you can imagine that you know 3419 02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:01,380 let's say tomorrow the Statue of Liberty 3420 02:30:06,649 --> 02:30:03,770 was replaced with a giant Gorn statue of 3421 02:30:08,420 --> 02:30:06,659 the Thor you're never gonna convince 3422 02:30:10,490 --> 02:30:08,430 people that was a quantum event 3423 02:30:11,779 --> 02:30:10,500 they're never gonna buy that it doesn't 3424 02:30:13,069 --> 02:30:11,789 matter if it's add what's what actually 3425 02:30:15,229 --> 02:30:13,079 happened or not they're never gonna buy 3426 02:30:16,700 --> 02:30:15,239 that it's so insanely improbable that 3427 02:30:18,979 --> 02:30:16,710 they're just going to assume a 3428 02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:18,989 supernatural cause if there wasn't right 3429 02:30:24,649 --> 02:30:21,210 right it reminds me of a Leonard 3430 02:30:27,229 --> 02:30:24,659 Susskind and they you know his quote you 3431 02:30:31,540 --> 02:30:27,239 know well you know what it's it's highly 3432 02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:31,550 unlikely but it could happen 3433 02:30:35,779 --> 02:30:34,409 things like that is it in some way if 3434 02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:35,789 multiverse is correct there is a 3435 02:30:40,279 --> 02:30:37,770 universe right now where giant Gorn 3436 02:30:42,170 --> 02:30:40,289 statue of Thor peor and tomorrow there's 3437 02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:42,180 going to be a gigantic civil war period 3438 02:30:46,381 --> 02:30:43,690 as people you know 3439 02:30:47,671 --> 02:30:46,391 it's convoy over to Norse mythology you 3440 02:30:50,730 --> 02:30:47,681 know that that has really happened 3441 02:30:54,211 --> 02:30:50,740 somewhere you know if it can't happen 3442 02:30:55,770 --> 02:30:54,221 will happen in the multiverse and that 3443 02:30:57,961 --> 02:30:55,780 includes things appear to break the 3444 02:30:59,551 --> 02:30:57,971 physical laws because you could have a 3445 02:31:01,320 --> 02:30:59,561 universe where somebody thought they'd 3446 02:31:02,820 --> 02:31:01,330 created a spaceship that could travel 3447 02:31:04,740 --> 02:31:02,830 faster light when they really created 3448 02:31:06,780 --> 02:31:04,750 one that just blew them up and in that 3449 02:31:09,091 --> 02:31:06,790 universe exact copy of them had 3450 02:31:11,251 --> 02:31:09,101 reassembled somewhere else fashioned 3451 02:31:13,501 --> 02:31:11,261 like a travel and in that particular 3452 02:31:16,650 --> 02:31:13,511 universe every time someone did that 3453 02:31:18,570 --> 02:31:16,660 that's what happened in a multiverse 3454 02:31:21,331 --> 02:31:18,580 that is a place out there where someone 3455 02:31:24,060 --> 02:31:21,341 has a functional FTL system even though 3456 02:31:27,301 --> 02:31:24,070 it's impossible because just by free 3457 02:31:29,310 --> 02:31:27,311 clock that has worked every single time 3458 02:31:31,470 --> 02:31:29,320 someone threw the switch every time they 3459 02:31:32,671 --> 02:31:31,480 hit the Go button let's take a break 3460 02:31:35,461 --> 02:31:32,681 right here our guest tonight 3461 02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:35,471 Isaac Arthur icig everybody I want you 3462 02:31:40,291 --> 02:31:38,080 to congratulate him on Twitter he is 3463 02:31:42,180 --> 02:31:40,301 getting married this Saturday and he is 3464 02:31:44,041 --> 02:31:42,190 taking the time to hang out with all of 3465 02:31:46,381 --> 02:31:44,051 you tonight thank you for that Isaac 3466 02:31:48,030 --> 02:31:46,391 let's go into some overtime this is fade 3467 02:31:50,940 --> 02:31:48,040 to black I am your host Jimmy Church 3468 02:31:53,730 --> 02:31:50,950 that when we come back artificial 3469 02:31:55,051 --> 02:31:53,740 intelligence and the end of everything 3470 02:31:57,010 --> 02:31:55,061 that's right 3471 02:32:14,580 --> 02:31:57,020 stay with us we'll be right back 3472 02:32:17,170 --> 02:32:14,590 [Music] 3473 02:32:20,050 --> 02:32:17,180 biblical volunteer and you are listening 3474 02:32:25,500 --> 02:32:20,060 to my boy Jimmy Church on Jimmy Church 3475 02:32:29,711 --> 02:32:25,510 radio calm this my popular opinion 3476 02:32:34,371 --> 02:32:29,721 reading a book will not make you smarter 3477 02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:34,381 but listening to Jimmy Church will this 3478 02:32:38,841 --> 02:32:36,210 is Jimmy Church a fade to black and I 3479 02:32:42,470 --> 02:32:38,851 take life change T supplements every 3480 02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:42,480 single day it's what I do click on their 3481 02:32:50,211 --> 02:32:48,210 banner ad Jimmy Church radio calm when 3482 02:32:53,240 --> 02:32:50,221 you take the beams from Central America 3483 02:32:55,461 --> 02:32:53,250 with dashes of indonesian 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02:34:51,740 --> 02:34:48,300 talk radio you love the new paranormal 3527 02:34:53,479 --> 02:34:51,750 radio app from torque stream live you'll 3528 02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:53,489 find a great selection of talk shows 3529 02:34:59,330 --> 02:34:56,640 covering UFOs ghosts strange phenomena 3530 02:35:01,639 --> 02:34:59,340 and much more download the paranormal 3531 02:35:03,260 --> 02:35:01,649 radio app now and start listening to the 3532 02:35:05,059 --> 02:35:03,270 very best in paranormal talk 3533 02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:05,069 entertainment including the network 3534 02:35:09,950 --> 02:35:07,050 you're listening to right now the 3535 02:35:19,490 --> 02:35:09,960 paranormal radio app free in Google Play 3536 02:35:33,750 --> 02:35:23,190 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 3537 02:35:36,950 --> 02:35:33,760 born this way k GRA radio.com this is k 3538 02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:36,960 JC are Jimmy shirts radiojohn yeah 3539 02:35:53,770 --> 02:35:52,750 welcome back fade to black I am your 3540 02:35:57,490 --> 02:35:53,780 host Jimmy Church 3541 02:36:00,210 --> 02:35:57,500 my guest tonight Isaac Arthur we're 3542 02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:00,220 discussing artificial intelligence and 3543 02:36:03,310 --> 02:36:02,090 everything that's out there starting 3544 02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:03,320 here on earth out throughout the 3545 02:36:10,450 --> 02:36:07,010 universe and we are now at the point 3546 02:36:13,500 --> 02:36:10,460 where in this conversation where when we 3547 02:36:16,120 --> 02:36:13,510 are discussing the size of the universe 3548 02:36:19,090 --> 02:36:16,130 the creation of the universe the 3549 02:36:22,930 --> 02:36:19,100 randomness of that I don't have a 3550 02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:22,940 problem Isaac with with there must be 3551 02:36:31,510 --> 02:36:25,040 something else out there and and and 3552 02:36:36,490 --> 02:36:31,520 time is time is old right time forever 3553 02:36:40,360 --> 02:36:36,500 is a very very big number and the rise 3554 02:36:42,219 --> 02:36:40,370 and fall of universes must happen all 3555 02:36:46,719 --> 02:36:42,229 the time let alone galaxies and Suns 3556 02:36:49,469 --> 02:36:46,729 that that's that's and and Brian green 3557 02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:49,479 in his new book until the end of time 3558 02:36:59,080 --> 02:36:54,800 says one thing that confirms something 3559 02:37:03,280 --> 02:36:59,090 for me that must be a part of everything 3560 02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:03,290 which is particles and the basics of 3561 02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:08,810 everything will end everything will 3562 02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:11,690 eventually break apart and there will be 3563 02:37:18,160 --> 02:37:15,050 nothing left and that includes 3564 02:37:20,680 --> 02:37:18,170 everything right at one point everything 3565 02:37:25,690 --> 02:37:20,690 that binds us together will not have 3566 02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:25,700 that binding it it's a long ways off 3567 02:37:31,510 --> 02:37:27,290 into the future we don't have anything 3568 02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:31,520 to be alarmed about today but this is 3569 02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:34,970 something that is being contemplated 3570 02:37:39,160 --> 02:37:37,520 right now by Brian Greene and others are 3571 02:37:42,190 --> 02:37:39,170 talking about it have you considered 3572 02:37:44,469 --> 02:37:42,200 this oh sure Lena Val with the end of 3573 02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:44,479 time is of course every everything local 3574 02:37:47,170 --> 02:37:46,130 physicists as to throw themselves at 3575 02:37:48,370 --> 02:37:47,180 that problem but I think almost 3576 02:37:51,070 --> 02:37:48,380 everybody does because without 3577 02:37:53,469 --> 02:37:51,080 physicists what comes after the end of 3578 02:37:55,450 --> 02:37:53,479 eternity you know is there a finite 3579 02:37:56,890 --> 02:37:55,460 amount of time or not but we start 3580 02:37:58,330 --> 02:37:56,900 playing with infinity in any way you 3581 02:38:00,100 --> 02:37:58,340 always have to be little bit careful you 3582 02:38:02,230 --> 02:38:00,110 know it's not a real number as an 3583 02:38:02,620 --> 02:38:02,240 example let's say time was infant and 3584 02:38:03,940 --> 02:38:02,630 they 3585 02:38:07,780 --> 02:38:03,950 or just an infinite sequence of 3586 02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:07,790 BIGBANG's but then everything is going 3587 02:38:10,840 --> 02:38:08,800 to happen at some point in time 3588 02:38:13,330 --> 02:38:10,850 including this exact same conversation 3589 02:38:15,340 --> 02:38:13,340 not just once but a million times a 3590 02:38:17,469 --> 02:38:15,350 million times you know and effectively 3591 02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:17,479 infinite number of times 3592 02:38:21,040 --> 02:38:19,520 isn't that effectively the end of the 3593 02:38:22,480 --> 02:38:21,050 universe at that point anyway because 3594 02:38:23,830 --> 02:38:22,490 this is the same thing repeating 3595 02:38:27,219 --> 02:38:23,840 everything that could happen has 3596 02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,229 happened so whether it goes on for 10 3597 02:38:32,170 --> 02:38:29,840 more minutes or eternally it's already 3598 02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:32,180 happened every sequence has already been 3599 02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:33,770 played every game of tic-tac-toe 3600 02:38:39,580 --> 02:38:37,520 you know has been played it's done and 3601 02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:39,590 so in that point you don't even need an 3602 02:38:45,060 --> 02:38:42,080 infinite you know space when at that 3603 02:38:48,280 --> 02:38:45,070 time if the universe is infinite in size 3604 02:38:50,170 --> 02:38:48,290 and you could travel you know fashion 3605 02:38:52,360 --> 02:38:50,180 like to get to those other bits you 3606 02:38:54,010 --> 02:38:52,370 never know if it was infinite or curved 3607 02:38:55,660 --> 02:38:54,020 around back on itself like a so-called 3608 02:38:57,490 --> 02:38:55,670 because you'd start encountering bits 3609 02:39:00,250 --> 02:38:57,500 that will exactly identical a bit you'd 3610 02:39:02,380 --> 02:39:00,260 already gone to now the numbers involved 3611 02:39:04,300 --> 02:39:02,390 that also huge that they need exponents 3612 02:39:06,639 --> 02:39:04,310 of exponents to actually be you know 3613 02:39:07,870 --> 02:39:06,649 recognized some of them also big that if 3614 02:39:08,980 --> 02:39:07,880 you actually tried to write that number 3615 02:39:10,810 --> 02:39:08,990 out on paper it would undergo 3616 02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:10,820 gravitational collapse into being a bit 3617 02:39:19,710 --> 02:39:16,719 but you know there are so many ways we 3618 02:39:22,630 --> 02:39:19,720 could say is there a limit to infinity 3619 02:39:25,000 --> 02:39:22,640 and in that kind of context to degree 3620 02:39:26,679 --> 02:39:25,010 yeah if there's an infinite number of 3621 02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:26,689 things that can happen but you have a 3622 02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:28,490 finite value for them to Co and then 3623 02:39:31,840 --> 02:39:29,930 they will just start repeating and if 3624 02:39:33,280 --> 02:39:31,850 something repeats what's the difference 3625 02:39:34,750 --> 02:39:33,290 between suddenly of a pizza over again 3626 02:39:36,340 --> 02:39:34,760 and something that's just cyclical like 3627 02:39:39,250 --> 02:39:36,350 you know time you know we all that 3628 02:39:40,510 --> 02:39:39,260 endlessly repeats but as to whether or 3629 02:39:42,820 --> 02:39:40,520 not all universe will eventually run 3630 02:39:45,219 --> 02:39:42,830 down well based on corn - we'd say yes 3631 02:39:47,020 --> 02:39:45,229 but we get outside of the you know this 3632 02:39:49,690 --> 02:39:47,030 absorber universe in this known set of 3633 02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:49,700 physics we just don't have any events 3634 02:39:54,010 --> 02:39:52,640 not one jot of evidence to to the 3635 02:39:55,630 --> 02:39:54,020 universe being bigger than we think it 3636 02:39:57,490 --> 02:39:55,640 is although it we can probably deduce 3637 02:39:59,290 --> 02:39:57,500 that there's since we'd be in the center 3638 02:40:02,650 --> 02:39:59,300 otherwise or there are other universes 3639 02:40:05,350 --> 02:40:02,660 parallel reality is multi voices 3640 02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:05,360 four dimensional universes 10 3641 02:40:08,650 --> 02:40:07,010 dimensional ones take your pick 3642 02:40:10,360 --> 02:40:08,660 if they are an infinite number of these 3643 02:40:12,370 --> 02:40:10,370 possible places that could exist we 3644 02:40:13,660 --> 02:40:12,380 might call the entrence omble the whole 3645 02:40:16,510 --> 02:40:13,670 grand shebang 3646 02:40:19,060 --> 02:40:16,520 then you know you'd have in infinite 3647 02:40:20,950 --> 02:40:19,070 places where the rules of things like 3648 02:40:22,690 --> 02:40:20,960 gravity didn't function the same or 3649 02:40:25,090 --> 02:40:22,700 there wasn't even something like gravity 3650 02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:25,100 there you know there's inevitable 3651 02:40:28,929 --> 02:40:27,050 possibilities but unless you can 3652 02:40:30,370 --> 02:40:28,939 actually have a go reach them in some 3653 02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:30,380 fashion to tech them and communicate 3654 02:40:34,780 --> 02:40:32,570 with them or travel to them you can kind 3655 02:40:36,280 --> 02:40:34,790 of argue that it's not just semantics to 3656 02:40:38,320 --> 02:40:36,290 all of you that they don't even exist 3657 02:40:41,140 --> 02:40:38,330 because you can never go to them well 3658 02:40:44,469 --> 02:40:41,150 okay so let's flip it over for a second 3659 02:40:46,570 --> 02:40:44,479 let's let's go to the other side all of 3660 02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:46,580 the protons the neutrons electrons 3661 02:40:50,920 --> 02:40:49,010 everything that the constituents of all 3662 02:40:54,190 --> 02:40:50,930 atoms have now broken down there's no 3663 02:40:57,060 --> 02:40:54,200 energy binding them together and the 3664 02:41:03,390 --> 02:40:57,070 existence of everything even the charred 3665 02:41:06,700 --> 02:41:03,400 charcoal dwarf brown dwarf stars are now 3666 02:41:10,450 --> 02:41:06,710 dissolved right and even the black holes 3667 02:41:13,570 --> 02:41:10,460 of decay the iron stoves installs away 3668 02:41:16,660 --> 02:41:13,580 lately everything is gone except now on 3669 02:41:19,240 --> 02:41:16,670 the outside of our universe where there 3670 02:41:22,600 --> 02:41:19,250 is a younger universe that has been 3671 02:41:27,130 --> 02:41:22,610 created and now those civilizations are 3672 02:41:29,440 --> 02:41:27,140 traveling the stars they are still a 10 3673 02:41:30,820 --> 02:41:29,450 trillion years away from dissolving into 3674 02:41:34,120 --> 02:41:30,830 nothingness but they're out there in 3675 02:41:40,390 --> 02:41:34,130 their Isaac Arthur star cruiser and they 3676 02:41:43,600 --> 02:41:40,400 drive through our old part of space but 3677 02:41:45,700 --> 02:41:43,610 there's nothing left here to tell them 3678 02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:45,710 that we ever existed right everybody 3679 02:41:49,960 --> 02:41:46,970 assumes there's going to be some 3680 02:41:52,570 --> 02:41:49,970 remnants of humans but they're gonna 3681 02:41:55,600 --> 02:41:52,580 cruise through here and there will be no 3682 02:41:58,300 --> 02:41:55,610 evidence that we were ever here because 3683 02:41:59,920 --> 02:41:58,310 just like that I mean if they can cruise 3684 02:42:03,250 --> 02:41:59,930 here what couldn't we cruise they don't 3685 02:42:05,560 --> 02:42:03,260 know we existed but that's what I'm 3686 02:42:08,950 --> 02:42:05,570 saying our star cruisers eventually 3687 02:42:10,600 --> 02:42:08,960 dissolve into cosmic dust only if we 3688 02:42:12,730 --> 02:42:10,610 don't got a new source of metal to build 3689 02:42:14,469 --> 02:42:12,740 them off if they can cruise here then we 3690 02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:14,479 could presume leave travels to them if 3691 02:42:17,950 --> 02:42:16,250 there's some universe that would exist 3692 02:42:19,630 --> 02:42:17,960 that could even come here at Ward's then 3693 02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:19,640 why couldn't we travel they oh and get 3694 02:42:24,171 --> 02:42:22,010 some new line orgy material right well 3695 02:42:27,770 --> 02:42:24,181 see that and that's what Brian green 3696 02:42:32,421 --> 02:42:27,780 is is suggesting here that that 3697 02:42:35,930 --> 02:42:32,431 everything around us everything will 3698 02:42:38,961 --> 02:42:35,940 break apart and not exist anymore so we 3699 02:42:40,310 --> 02:42:38,971 wouldn't even have the ships to go 3700 02:42:42,890 --> 02:42:40,320 somewhere else 3701 02:42:45,770 --> 02:42:42,900 into another universe into one of our 3702 02:42:47,751 --> 02:42:45,780 galactic neighbors because those ships 3703 02:42:49,850 --> 02:42:47,761 that were driving on and our BOTS 3704 02:42:51,381 --> 02:42:49,860 everything would just dissolve into 3705 02:42:53,930 --> 02:42:51,391 nothing mm-hmm 3706 02:42:55,850 --> 02:42:53,940 is that depressing is that is that too 3707 02:42:59,121 --> 02:42:55,860 dark of a future even though it's a 3708 02:43:01,430 --> 02:42:59,131 septillion years in the future well in a 3709 02:43:04,220 --> 02:43:01,440 way it's it's easy to picture chaos 3710 02:43:05,390 --> 02:43:04,230 running things down but with the example 3711 02:43:08,421 --> 02:43:05,400 of like black hole based civilizations 3712 02:43:10,071 --> 02:43:08,431 once nobody on Hawking radiation those 3713 02:43:11,631 --> 02:43:10,081 get bright Oh as they get older so 3714 02:43:13,581 --> 02:43:11,641 they're not you know trailing off in 3715 02:43:15,980 --> 02:43:13,591 this universe of cannibalism and fading 3716 02:43:17,841 --> 02:43:15,990 out those but basically they blow up you 3717 02:43:19,881 --> 02:43:17,851 know civilization speeds up as that time 3718 02:43:23,781 --> 02:43:19,891 goes on so they're going out with a bang 3719 02:43:25,611 --> 02:43:23,791 rather than decane out but in the end 3720 02:43:27,890 --> 02:43:25,621 yes in entropy base universe everything 3721 02:43:30,560 --> 02:43:27,900 runs down eventually but you know 3722 02:43:31,881 --> 02:43:30,570 everything already runs down in a local 3723 02:43:34,251 --> 02:43:31,891 sense that's that's more of a 3724 02:43:36,651 --> 02:43:34,261 philosophical issue of nihilism you know 3725 02:43:39,111 --> 02:43:36,661 of doesn't actually matter if the book 3726 02:43:41,511 --> 02:43:39,121 has an end well every book has an end 3727 02:43:43,640 --> 02:43:41,521 and yeah we'd be liked in theory to be 3728 02:43:46,011 --> 02:43:43,650 able to go on forever but if we could go 3729 02:43:47,600 --> 02:43:46,021 on forever no matter what we try to look 3730 02:43:50,211 --> 02:43:47,610 at it from if time goes on infinitely 3731 02:43:52,551 --> 02:43:50,221 then everything repeats anyway if 3732 02:43:54,531 --> 02:43:52,561 everything is just runs infinitely long 3733 02:43:57,621 --> 02:43:54,541 then everything that could happen will 3734 02:44:00,171 --> 02:43:57,631 happen over and over and over again in 3735 02:44:02,511 --> 02:44:00,181 which case again how is that any better 3736 02:44:03,651 --> 02:44:02,521 of a fate you know if the book runs out 3737 02:44:05,661 --> 02:44:03,661 because there's a chapter at the end 3738 02:44:08,151 --> 02:44:05,671 it's polio in the epilogue the book is 3739 02:44:10,850 --> 02:44:08,161 closed last chapter or one that just 3740 02:44:12,381 --> 02:44:10,860 keeps repeating over again um I don't 3741 02:44:14,571 --> 02:44:12,391 know which of those is the more ideal 3742 02:44:16,190 --> 02:44:14,581 universe but if you have an infinite 3743 02:44:18,861 --> 02:44:16,200 amount of time you all just keep 3744 02:44:20,480 --> 02:44:18,871 repeating I don't totally a set amount 3745 02:44:23,121 --> 02:44:20,490 of time the book closes and you know 3746 02:44:23,511 --> 02:44:23,131 right right and I totally agree with 3747 02:44:31,401 --> 02:44:23,521 that 3748 02:44:32,900 --> 02:44:31,411 about it were my excitement kind of 3749 02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:32,910 fades 3750 02:44:39,500 --> 02:44:36,090 is memory and this is where energy gets 3751 02:44:40,930 --> 02:44:39,510 into a play here and consciousness and 3752 02:44:44,511 --> 02:44:40,940 beginning to that whole philosophical 3753 02:44:47,810 --> 02:44:44,521 discussion but in Brian Greene's 3754 02:44:50,060 --> 02:44:47,820 presentation it sounds to me that he is 3755 02:44:52,370 --> 02:44:50,070 implying that even memory and 3756 02:44:55,930 --> 02:44:52,380 consciousness if it's out there existing 3757 02:44:58,250 --> 02:44:55,940 in in clouds of energetic you know 3758 02:45:01,280 --> 02:44:58,260 masses out there in the universe that 3759 02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:01,290 even that will cease to exist that even 3760 02:45:09,591 --> 02:45:04,650 our memory of the past will be no longer 3761 02:45:13,490 --> 02:45:09,601 so in in the repeating of time I don't 3762 02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:13,500 get to enjoy that right you don't get to 3763 02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:15,930 enjoy that we don't even know that the 3764 02:45:22,341 --> 02:45:20,010 repeat is happening we have no idea but 3765 02:45:24,500 --> 02:45:22,351 if you enjoy time opinion anyway if you 3766 02:45:26,420 --> 02:45:24,510 are just going for the computer model 3767 02:45:28,490 --> 02:45:26,430 that you're storing your brain on a big 3768 02:45:31,131 --> 02:45:28,500 computer that takes space and energy to 3769 02:45:32,570 --> 02:45:31,141 run you start cannibalizing old memory 3770 02:45:33,890 --> 02:45:32,580 compressing things that you no longer 3771 02:45:36,980 --> 02:45:33,900 need to remember everything that 3772 02:45:39,320 --> 02:45:36,990 happened and in 2120 you start going to 3773 02:45:40,700 --> 02:45:39,330 the major events you can't oblige your 3774 02:45:42,950 --> 02:45:40,710 whole Drive as matter you can throw it 3775 02:45:45,680 --> 02:45:42,960 at a black hole for more energy and the 3776 02:45:47,210 --> 02:45:45,690 end your last conscious mind in that 3777 02:45:49,160 --> 02:45:47,220 kind of context would be something that 3778 02:45:50,600 --> 02:45:49,170 was just barely conscious enough to be 3779 02:45:53,900 --> 02:45:50,610 aware of the fact that had no memory 3780 02:45:57,470 --> 02:45:53,910 that sounds horrible they effectively a 3781 02:45:58,850 --> 02:45:57,480 type of you know senility that lasts 3782 02:46:02,690 --> 02:45:58,860 minds would be cannibalizing themselves 3783 02:46:03,950 --> 02:46:02,700 into you know the Neo unawareness of the 3784 02:46:06,470 --> 02:46:03,960 own existence since they can't maintain 3785 02:46:08,810 --> 02:46:06,480 a system anymore but the upside is that 3786 02:46:11,270 --> 02:46:08,820 again if it's a Hawking black hole based 3787 02:46:13,850 --> 02:46:11,280 system the power actually goes up at the 3788 02:46:15,080 --> 02:46:13,860 end so you you actually would have the 3789 02:46:16,610 --> 02:46:15,090 energy off to run yourself and just 3790 02:46:18,770 --> 02:46:16,620 choose to go out with a bang as opposed 3791 02:46:19,940 --> 02:46:18,780 to because black holes evaporate they 3792 02:46:21,261 --> 02:46:19,950 get brighter and brighter with time they 3793 02:46:23,360 --> 02:46:21,271 give off more energy until they explode 3794 02:46:25,400 --> 02:46:23,370 if you're running your things that way 3795 02:46:27,261 --> 02:46:25,410 you don't have to go that way you can 3796 02:46:32,480 --> 02:46:27,271 just instead choose to lie that out and 3797 02:46:35,051 --> 02:46:32,490 go you know boom and if so if we go down 3798 02:46:39,591 --> 02:46:35,061 that scenario our artificial 3799 02:46:43,330 --> 02:46:39,601 intelligence memory mine existence over 3800 02:46:45,529 --> 02:46:43,340 time is nothing but error correction 3801 02:46:47,269 --> 02:46:45,539 to some degree and there's the other 3802 02:46:50,479 --> 02:46:47,279 thing is a cast you know it costs energy 3803 02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:50,489 it costs material to maintain yourself 3804 02:46:53,479 --> 02:46:51,930 so that's the biggest part trying you 3805 02:46:56,210 --> 02:46:53,489 something like a hockey radiation based 3806 02:46:58,099 --> 02:46:56,220 computer is how would you manage to 3807 02:46:59,899 --> 02:46:58,109 maintain something that long but you 3808 02:47:01,880 --> 02:46:59,909 could see we be doing our first AG board 3809 02:47:06,139 --> 02:47:01,890 ones where each one was a bit less mass 3810 02:47:08,179 --> 02:47:06,149 than the others but um you are going to 3811 02:47:10,429 --> 02:47:08,189 always with any system eventually run 3812 02:47:12,170 --> 02:47:10,439 down that's not just eat if you could 3813 02:47:13,910 --> 02:47:12,180 find a way around entropy right that's 3814 02:47:15,500 --> 02:47:13,920 what happens is because again we as 3815 02:47:17,750 --> 02:47:15,510 we're saying you would otherwise end up 3816 02:47:19,399 --> 02:47:17,760 with a cyclic model and what's the 3817 02:47:21,469 --> 02:47:19,409 difference between a book that ends and 3818 02:47:23,870 --> 02:47:21,479 one way it's just 100 copies of the 3819 02:47:25,939 --> 02:47:23,880 exact same book with error is is 3820 02:47:27,410 --> 02:47:25,949 Shakespeare going on are we learning 3821 02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:27,420 more about this or that book series 3822 02:47:32,450 --> 02:47:29,010 because someone's reprinted that same 3823 02:47:38,870 --> 02:47:32,460 book a million times and with with 3824 02:47:41,029 --> 02:47:38,880 misspelled words yeah it is the infant 3825 02:47:43,099 --> 02:47:41,039 monkeys type item solution you get every 3826 02:47:44,540 --> 02:47:43,109 last snow possible that way right you 3827 02:47:46,189 --> 02:47:44,550 have every possible book that's written 3828 02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:46,199 and it gets written millions of times 3829 02:47:50,330 --> 02:47:48,210 and rather than just be a complete book 3830 02:47:51,740 --> 02:47:50,340 you know it's not a sequel to make a 3831 02:47:53,689 --> 02:47:51,750 copy of the same book you know it's got 3832 02:47:55,519 --> 02:47:53,699 a minor flaw to it then mine or to 3833 02:47:57,710 --> 02:47:55,529 change to it especially when all those 3834 02:48:00,559 --> 02:47:57,720 books have been written so even without 3835 02:48:02,929 --> 02:48:00,569 entropy you do have an effective end to 3836 02:48:05,660 --> 02:48:02,939 eternity just because it just repeats 3837 02:48:07,899 --> 02:48:05,670 man I love entropy it's like the best 3838 02:48:09,080 --> 02:48:07,909 word ever it's like the best or whatever 3839 02:48:11,899 --> 02:48:09,090 okay 3840 02:48:13,160 --> 02:48:11,909 now let's let's let's quote again I'm 3841 02:48:15,620 --> 02:48:13,170 gonna thank you for taking the time 3842 02:48:17,990 --> 02:48:15,630 you're getting married this week man and 3843 02:48:20,840 --> 02:48:18,000 thank you for this now let's let's get 3844 02:48:22,399 --> 02:48:20,850 let's get into a heavier philosophical 3845 02:48:28,670 --> 02:48:22,409 issue here you brought this up earlier 3846 02:48:33,229 --> 02:48:28,680 about the duplicate you being on a hard 3847 02:48:36,769 --> 02:48:33,239 drive or on a [\h__\h] whatever the example 3848 02:48:39,889 --> 02:48:36,779 of that when I hear very intelligent 3849 02:48:44,540 --> 02:48:39,899 people out there discuss this they leave 3850 02:48:47,899 --> 02:48:44,550 out one core component which is let's 3851 02:48:51,229 --> 02:48:47,909 just say you Isaac or Bill Gates or 3852 02:48:55,341 --> 02:48:51,239 whoever has put themselves into an 3853 02:48:58,940 --> 02:48:55,351 android right to live forever 3854 02:49:06,440 --> 02:48:58,950 we're gonna be immortal but you Isaac 3855 02:49:09,051 --> 02:49:06,450 Arthur don't enjoy that the new you is 3856 02:49:12,741 --> 02:49:09,061 often running creating new memories and 3857 02:49:16,161 --> 02:49:12,751 a new life you still exist in your brain 3858 02:49:19,730 --> 02:49:16,171 it's not like you are now 3859 02:49:21,741 --> 02:49:19,740 immortal it's a copy it's a copy right 3860 02:49:24,591 --> 02:49:21,751 there's puppies legitimating me as I am 3861 02:49:27,131 --> 02:49:24,601 but it's still a copy I'm still you 3862 02:49:30,261 --> 02:49:27,141 don't get to enjoy the world of Tron 3863 02:49:32,360 --> 02:49:30,271 mm-hmm right you-you-you have to live in 3864 02:49:35,121 --> 02:49:32,370 your existing meat soup 3865 02:49:36,890 --> 02:49:35,131 yep the copy of me is again it's as 3866 02:49:38,690 --> 02:49:36,900 validly me as I am but we've got a 3867 02:49:40,341 --> 02:49:38,700 divorce rate quickly and I'm still they 3868 02:49:42,261 --> 02:49:40,351 are you might use copies to back 3869 02:49:43,671 --> 02:49:42,271 yourself up and it is basically a life 3870 02:49:45,591 --> 02:49:43,681 insurance policy because we don't just 3871 02:49:46,911 --> 02:49:45,601 live for so you might make a copy so 3872 02:49:47,930 --> 02:49:46,921 that someone could raise your kids or 3873 02:49:50,451 --> 02:49:47,940 something happened to you 3874 02:49:51,770 --> 02:49:50,461 right but yeah you all finite in that 3875 02:49:54,261 --> 02:49:51,780 sense you can't just copy your brain 3876 02:49:56,390 --> 02:49:54,271 over and then ieave a copy and yeah you 3877 02:49:57,711 --> 02:49:56,400 could maybe born your brain up as y-you 3878 02:49:59,331 --> 02:49:57,721 were you know you vaporize or while 3879 02:50:00,531 --> 02:49:59,341 you're making the copy but that just 3880 02:50:02,470 --> 02:50:00,541 means you destroy the original copy 3881 02:50:04,881 --> 02:50:02,480 while you're making the new one our 3882 02:50:06,350 --> 02:50:04,891 brains do replace themselves you know 3883 02:50:08,810 --> 02:50:06,360 the neurons change with time there was 3884 02:50:10,281 --> 02:50:08,820 that gradual placement so that might be 3885 02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:10,291 an approach that people found more 3886 02:50:15,171 --> 02:50:12,570 palatable was to just replace one neuron 3887 02:50:16,520 --> 02:50:15,181 at a time with somebody artificial and 3888 02:50:18,321 --> 02:50:16,530 if you can upload your mind to a 3889 02:50:19,821 --> 02:50:18,331 computer there's always you can't upload 3890 02:50:21,890 --> 02:50:19,831 your mind to a computer in your own head 3891 02:50:24,201 --> 02:50:21,900 it could even be using regular neurons 3892 02:50:25,491 --> 02:50:24,211 I mean we have cellular pay off if we 3893 02:50:26,930 --> 02:50:25,501 just give that a little bit of help we 3894 02:50:28,970 --> 02:50:26,940 might not need to upload our brains on 3895 02:50:30,860 --> 02:50:28,980 to eat or chip B it on a distant 3896 02:50:33,890 --> 02:50:30,870 computer network or inside our own brain 3897 02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:33,900 then just replace those neurons but 3898 02:50:37,581 --> 02:50:35,610 that's probably the only way you can 3899 02:50:40,341 --> 02:50:37,591 really achieve immortality for the self 3900 02:50:42,921 --> 02:50:40,351 but again that copy of you if it's if 3901 02:50:46,161 --> 02:50:42,931 it's if it's a proper copy it is still 3902 02:50:47,751 --> 02:50:46,171 you it's just you know you know you 3903 02:50:49,251 --> 02:50:47,761 don't get to see but you can copy 3904 02:50:53,091 --> 02:50:49,261 anymore right you don't get to 3905 02:50:56,211 --> 02:50:53,101 experience that e ticket at Disneyland 3906 02:50:59,421 --> 02:50:56,221 it does that voice you're using a way 3907 02:51:01,041 --> 02:50:59,431 could be like wow I'm immortal now as I 3908 02:51:01,970 --> 02:51:01,051 see it walked and it's gonna turn around 3909 02:51:05,421 --> 02:51:01,980 look at you in the chair and be like Oh 3910 02:51:07,190 --> 02:51:05,431 what do we decide we're gonna do on that 3911 02:51:08,190 --> 02:51:07,200 one and in my own case I actually have a 3912 02:51:10,650 --> 02:51:08,200 set protocol for 3913 02:51:15,390 --> 02:51:10,660 we just changed the bill name to a be a 3914 02:51:18,261 --> 02:51:15,400 CD etc and so we just write well see 3915 02:51:21,180 --> 02:51:18,271 when I hear this deep philosophical 3916 02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:21,190 question I coming from an interviewer 3917 02:51:25,341 --> 02:51:22,960 which I've done it myself 3918 02:51:28,381 --> 02:51:25,351 okay I'm guilty of it but would you 3919 02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:28,391 upload yourself onto a hard drive my 3920 02:51:33,480 --> 02:51:30,730 answer today is not what it was before 3921 02:51:37,110 --> 02:51:33,490 well I had to sit and think about these 3922 02:51:41,341 --> 02:51:37,120 deep write these deep questions it's a 3923 02:51:45,560 --> 02:51:41,351 who cares who gives a crap sure I will 3924 02:51:49,261 --> 02:51:45,570 I'm not being uploaded a copy of me is 3925 02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:49,271 but I'm still here in my physical self 3926 02:51:54,360 --> 02:51:52,090 in this 3d reality that I call Burbank 3927 02:51:56,341 --> 02:51:54,370 California I'm not only do it as a 3928 02:51:57,450 --> 02:51:56,351 frozen copy right the biggest thing is 3929 02:51:59,490 --> 02:51:57,460 people tend to overlook something 3930 02:52:00,631 --> 02:51:59,500 downsize this for instance it sounds 3931 02:52:01,980 --> 02:52:00,641 neat to have somebody who's gonna help 3932 02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:01,990 you out with your walk especially for 3933 02:52:05,730 --> 02:52:03,610 those who are so mostly computerized or 3934 02:52:07,650 --> 02:52:05,740 you know thought based walk right but 3935 02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:07,660 they also gonna want to spend time with 3936 02:52:12,301 --> 02:52:09,610 your friends spend time your spouse or 3937 02:52:13,500 --> 02:52:12,311 your loved ones and after a little while 3938 02:52:15,091 --> 02:52:13,510 and that might get to be a little bit 3939 02:52:16,350 --> 02:52:15,101 aggravating especially as you devolve 3940 02:52:17,881 --> 02:52:16,360 it's your very different lives to that 3941 02:52:19,680 --> 02:52:17,891 point in time you know it's like two 3942 02:52:21,450 --> 02:52:19,690 twins they're not really the same person 3943 02:52:23,580 --> 02:52:21,460 again I'm not after that for a few 3944 02:52:25,500 --> 02:52:23,590 minutes even because that's pretty life 3945 02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:25,510 shocky event is only beyond a computer - 3946 02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:28,090 so you're gonna divorce very quickly but 3947 02:52:31,410 --> 02:52:29,650 they're kind of in the way a bit yeah 3948 02:52:33,660 --> 02:52:31,420 you know you want to have a cop yourself 3949 02:52:36,330 --> 02:52:33,670 that way you have a kid yeah yeah 3950 02:52:39,240 --> 02:52:36,340 exactly have at it and you bring up such 3951 02:52:43,200 --> 02:52:39,250 a great point you would divert the 3952 02:52:46,710 --> 02:52:43,210 divergence would be so quick and you 3953 02:52:49,470 --> 02:52:46,720 would your new version of yourself would 3954 02:52:52,591 --> 02:52:49,480 be so far removed from your personality 3955 02:52:54,120 --> 02:52:52,601 like instantaneous right right now which 3956 02:52:56,131 --> 02:52:54,130 one of you is the real one the question 3957 02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:56,141 is doesn't even matter what and what do 3958 02:53:00,060 --> 02:52:57,610 they make a copy of themselves is that 3959 02:53:02,820 --> 02:53:00,070 copy another copy of you or a copy of 3960 02:53:04,381 --> 02:53:02,830 them or it just gets confusing but we 3961 02:53:06,030 --> 02:53:04,391 actually didn't Episode on that and me 3962 02:53:07,140 --> 02:53:06,040 myself and I cloning and duplication 3963 02:53:09,390 --> 02:53:07,150 just try to look of all the crazy 3964 02:53:11,220 --> 02:53:09,400 scenarios that would believe it but the 3965 02:53:13,140 --> 02:53:11,230 only time I can see people doing it I 3966 02:53:15,540 --> 02:53:13,150 mean I'm sure some folks would do it 3967 02:53:18,091 --> 02:53:15,550 just because like let's say you met two 3968 02:53:19,350 --> 02:53:18,101 people and you really wanted to oh you 3969 02:53:20,580 --> 02:53:19,360 really want to go into business as an 3970 02:53:21,389 --> 02:53:20,590 artist but you also want to keep your 3971 02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:21,399 day job you might 3972 02:53:26,010 --> 02:53:23,680 copy yourself to see what that was like 3973 02:53:27,779 --> 02:53:26,020 but that's a lot like raising your kids 3974 02:53:29,670 --> 02:53:27,789 vicariously to do the thing you never 3975 02:53:31,409 --> 02:53:29,680 did and but whether or not that's 3976 02:53:33,779 --> 02:53:31,419 ethical some people would still do that 3977 02:53:36,359 --> 02:53:33,789 they might do it for colonizing planets 3978 02:53:37,859 --> 02:53:36,369 too because they're so so devotion at 3979 02:53:39,899 --> 02:53:37,869 that point in time those personalities 3980 02:53:41,639 --> 02:53:39,909 separated by like Leo's that who cares 3981 02:53:43,439 --> 02:53:41,649 you could send the same team of a 3982 02:53:45,659 --> 02:53:43,449 thousand people to a million different 3983 02:53:46,649 --> 02:53:45,669 solar systems and their copies and it'd 3984 02:53:48,359 --> 02:53:46,659 still be different 3985 02:53:50,580 --> 02:53:48,369 have you just modified the crew a little 3986 02:53:52,739 --> 02:53:50,590 bit you say you're not poor two thousand 3987 02:53:54,529 --> 02:53:52,749 volunteers and you send a thousand 3988 02:53:56,699 --> 02:53:54,539 randomly selected for the right jobs 3989 02:53:58,170 --> 02:53:56,709 there were no actions on that trip and 3990 02:54:00,659 --> 02:53:58,180 when they get that alien Ward are gonna 3991 02:54:02,849 --> 02:54:00,669 be so divulging that there are different 3992 02:54:07,800 --> 02:54:02,859 people yeah they would have a revolution 3993 02:54:11,969 --> 02:54:07,810 on they would have black markets mafia 3994 02:54:14,609 --> 02:54:11,979 and in the Illuminati all running in the 3995 02:54:17,279 --> 02:54:14,619 virtual world see this is the things the 3996 02:54:19,889 --> 02:54:17,289 divergent part of it running off into 3997 02:54:24,719 --> 02:54:19,899 another direction I could see you know 3998 02:54:27,599 --> 02:54:24,729 20 minutes later I email the virtual 3999 02:54:30,569 --> 02:54:27,609 Isaac Arthur right hey man what's going 4000 02:54:31,199 --> 02:54:30,579 on eh I'm too busy I'm taking over the 4001 02:54:33,029 --> 02:54:31,209 world 4002 02:54:35,880 --> 02:54:33,039 I'm plotting you know what I mean you 4003 02:54:37,469 --> 02:54:35,890 would just go off the next women about 4004 02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:37,479 the time thing being a bit we are too 4005 02:54:40,529 --> 02:54:39,130 though as a member we could it can speed 4006 02:54:42,960 --> 02:54:40,539 its brain up so the writing was apply to 4007 02:54:44,340 --> 02:54:42,970 that email anyway you know it's it's 4008 02:54:45,689 --> 02:54:44,350 gonna be busy doing a lot of things but 4009 02:54:47,639 --> 02:54:45,699 it presumably has time to answer my 4010 02:54:48,719 --> 02:54:47,649 emails those are the best kind to 4011 02:54:50,279 --> 02:54:48,729 because it doesn't have to listen to the 4012 02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:50,289 entire conversations but of a million 4013 02:54:54,630 --> 02:54:53,050 Ford you know you don't have a new your 4014 02:54:56,550 --> 02:54:54,640 time of being busy if you need a little 4015 02:54:57,779 --> 02:54:56,560 bit extra processing power especially 4016 02:54:59,309 --> 02:54:57,789 because it's always gonna cost you about 4017 02:55:01,439 --> 02:54:59,319 extra energy to run faster because it's 4018 02:55:03,269 --> 02:55:01,449 more heat here out of you know you're 4019 02:55:05,309 --> 02:55:03,279 never too busy you just speed up how 4020 02:55:06,510 --> 02:55:05,319 quickly you're clocking especially it's 4021 02:55:08,159 --> 02:55:06,520 kind of networked intelligence but 4022 02:55:09,960 --> 02:55:08,169 you're kind of buying computational time 4023 02:55:11,670 --> 02:55:09,970 you need a little extra time you buy it 4024 02:55:13,139 --> 02:55:11,680 so now you're running a million times 4025 02:55:15,029 --> 02:55:13,149 faster instead of half a million times 4026 02:55:17,219 --> 02:55:15,039 faster for a few minutes while you deal 4027 02:55:19,139 --> 02:55:17,229 with other problem is you know you don't 4028 02:55:20,519 --> 02:55:19,149 have a set of minutes how you just have 4029 02:55:22,319 --> 02:55:20,529 the amount of time you can pay for in 4030 02:55:24,809 --> 02:55:22,329 terms of our gene competition and the 4031 02:55:28,050 --> 02:55:24,819 other part about it that I find 4032 02:55:30,859 --> 02:55:28,060 fascinating is that all of the duplicate 4033 02:55:32,620 --> 02:55:30,869 versions the divergent versions of us 4034 02:55:37,720 --> 02:55:32,630 would 4035 02:55:41,230 --> 02:55:37,730 in their mind have a version of 4036 02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:41,240 themselves write an emoji they would 4037 02:55:49,751 --> 02:55:45,530 have an avatar and could you imagine the 4038 02:55:53,200 --> 02:55:49,761 Isaac Arthur part do what that avatar 4039 02:55:56,080 --> 02:55:53,210 would be how how it pictures itself I 4040 02:55:57,791 --> 02:55:56,090 would be terribly amiss if I didn't give 4041 02:56:00,490 --> 02:55:57,801 a quick plug to my friend Dennis he 4042 02:56:02,470 --> 02:56:00,500 Taylor was Bob of our series he 4043 02:56:04,211 --> 02:56:02,480 basically it's a it's an example their 4044 02:56:05,440 --> 02:56:04,221 way is uploaded mind that wakes up 4045 02:56:07,060 --> 02:56:05,450 centuries they don't have to have been 4046 02:56:08,770 --> 02:56:07,070 frozen and they made a copy of the brain 4047 02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:08,780 instead of you know a sign amount and 4048 02:56:13,330 --> 02:56:10,880 it's sent us topo 4049 02:56:15,490 --> 02:56:13,340 to colonize the galaxy and it has to 4050 02:56:16,990 --> 02:56:15,500 deal with all those you know iterations 4051 02:56:19,360 --> 02:56:17,000 of these people becoming their own 4052 02:56:21,400 --> 02:56:19,370 personality right and as each step gets 4053 02:56:22,690 --> 02:56:21,410 cloned more and more times the devotions 4054 02:56:25,450 --> 02:56:22,700 is so great that it barely even 4055 02:56:28,961 --> 02:56:25,460 resembles the original anymore and it's 4056 02:56:30,791 --> 02:56:28,971 a very great series but that's the 4057 02:56:32,801 --> 02:56:30,801 Constitution doing with there is I think 4058 02:56:35,381 --> 02:56:32,811 the cue mind is if you look at human DNA 4059 02:56:37,810 --> 02:56:35,391 our human brain it's basic form the 4060 02:56:40,930 --> 02:56:37,820 difference genetically between me and my 4061 02:56:43,480 --> 02:56:40,940 kid oh and any other human is so tiny in 4062 02:56:46,690 --> 02:56:43,490 terms of our DNA compared to say a tree 4063 02:56:48,700 --> 02:56:46,700 I we are so close together then if you 4064 02:56:50,650 --> 02:56:48,710 took our DNA code and ruled out as dots 4065 02:56:52,511 --> 02:56:50,660 on a book filling a library 4066 02:56:54,850 --> 02:56:52,521 you'd have to hunt through several 4067 02:56:55,570 --> 02:56:54,860 volumes to find one digit off between 4068 02:56:57,640 --> 02:56:55,580 two people 4069 02:57:00,131 --> 02:56:57,650 we already clones and duplicates of each 4070 02:57:01,660 --> 02:57:00,141 other that's what devotions is so we 4071 02:57:03,881 --> 02:57:01,670 talked about making a copy of a mind 4072 02:57:05,530 --> 02:57:03,891 and the mental aspect is yes a little 4073 02:57:07,381 --> 02:57:05,540 bit title then that is because you don't 4074 02:57:10,330 --> 02:57:07,391 have that for developmental time but 4075 02:57:11,740 --> 02:57:10,340 there's a huge divorce and people do 4076 02:57:13,780 --> 02:57:11,750 resemble each other a lot you know horse 4077 02:57:14,921 --> 02:57:13,790 face of psychology and sociology is I 4078 02:57:17,171 --> 02:57:14,931 mean a certain set patterns we go 4079 02:57:19,480 --> 02:57:17,181 through mm-hmm in copies of the same 4080 02:57:21,461 --> 02:57:19,490 basic mind like yours mile gotta keep a 4081 02:57:24,660 --> 02:57:21,471 lot of the same personality traits but 4082 02:57:27,461 --> 02:57:24,670 it is fundamentally that same kind of 4083 02:57:29,501 --> 02:57:27,471 divorce we already see inside humanity 4084 02:57:31,870 --> 02:57:29,511 or inside individual cultures there was 4085 02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:31,880 so much similar but so much different 4086 02:57:38,230 --> 02:57:35,120 now before I say goodnight one simple 4087 02:57:41,620 --> 02:57:38,240 question would you have your brain 4088 02:57:43,900 --> 02:57:41,630 frozen I actually probably would just 4089 02:57:44,849 --> 02:57:43,910 out of curiosity I was gonna die anyway 4090 02:57:49,229 --> 02:57:44,859 yeah 4091 02:57:51,090 --> 02:57:49,239 I would do it too now what okay so the 4092 02:57:53,969 --> 02:57:51,100 answer is yes the answer is yes for me 4093 02:57:57,300 --> 02:57:53,979 too when do you have it unfrozen when 4094 02:58:01,290 --> 02:57:57,310 the disease and things are cured or do 4095 02:58:01,679 --> 02:58:01,300 you have it done 5,000 years in the 4096 02:58:04,559 --> 02:58:01,689 future 4097 02:58:07,199 --> 02:58:04,569 Oh as soon as they felt that they could 4098 02:58:09,210 --> 02:58:07,209 there was a 99% chance that my 4099 02:58:11,779 --> 02:58:09,220 stipulation and I am somewhat chance of 4100 02:58:13,529 --> 02:58:11,789 a story me without any major damage and 4101 02:58:14,849 --> 02:58:13,539 if they reach the point where they said 4102 02:58:16,349 --> 02:58:14,859 they couldn't do better than that and 4103 02:58:18,779 --> 02:58:16,359 yes go ahead and waking up then or even 4104 02:58:20,130 --> 02:58:18,789 with the damage but I cuz I don't want 4105 02:58:22,139 --> 02:58:20,140 to see that I can't do myself foes and 4106 02:58:25,229 --> 02:58:22,149 again if I want to go take a big jump 4107 02:58:28,679 --> 02:58:25,239 for two time it's just got a leapfrog 4108 02:58:32,040 --> 02:58:28,689 through time hi yeah exactly 4109 02:58:33,569 --> 02:58:32,050 III would five hundred thousand years in 4110 02:58:35,909 --> 02:58:33,579 the future would that be cool just to 4111 02:58:37,939 --> 02:58:35,919 wake up for the shock of it Isaac thank 4112 02:58:40,139 --> 02:58:37,949 you so much was interesting for me he's 4113 02:58:42,960 --> 02:58:40,149 thank you so much for the conversation 4114 02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:42,970 tonight I have to ask you this is a 4115 02:58:49,409 --> 02:58:46,329 weird travel time what does that do for 4116 02:58:51,300 --> 02:58:49,419 your honeymoon well we are going to a 4117 02:58:53,099 --> 02:58:51,310 fairly remote place to begin with so we 4118 02:58:55,170 --> 02:58:53,109 had engaged in social isolation they oh 4119 02:58:56,849 --> 02:58:55,180 and just looking mostly to rest up any 4120 02:59:00,330 --> 02:58:56,859 wake has been so busy the last month or 4121 02:59:02,519 --> 02:59:00,340 two so hopefully with minimal problems 4122 02:59:04,769 --> 02:59:02,529 but we will see well not always 4123 02:59:06,630 --> 02:59:04,779 accommodates chaos even outside a case 4124 02:59:08,969 --> 02:59:06,640 like this there's always something that 4125 02:59:12,179 --> 02:59:08,979 comes off yeah so are you're gonna fly 4126 02:59:13,739 --> 02:59:12,189 are you staying close enough in case we 4127 02:59:16,500 --> 02:59:13,749 had to respond to an emergency but we'll 4128 02:59:18,599 --> 02:59:16,510 be traveling a little bit just by call 4129 02:59:20,159 --> 02:59:18,609 that's what I'm talking about so you are 4130 02:59:22,679 --> 02:59:20,169 going to be able to have a little 4131 02:59:24,719 --> 02:59:22,689 honeymoon yeah at least we hope so and 4132 02:59:27,389 --> 02:59:24,729 we'll just accommodate whatever chaos 4133 02:59:28,619 --> 02:59:27,399 comes up with that congratulations man 4134 02:59:31,109 --> 02:59:28,629 and thank you for the conversation 4135 02:59:33,300 --> 02:59:31,119 tonight Isaac I look forward to doing it 4136 02:59:34,739 --> 02:59:33,310 again very soon now always glad to be on 4137 02:59:37,529 --> 02:59:34,749 Jimmy thanks for having me you're the 4138 02:59:38,069 --> 02:59:37,539 best Isaac Arthur one pole to pole Thank 4139 02:59:42,149 --> 02:59:38,079 You Isaac 4140 02:59:43,979 --> 02:59:42,159 and I am gonna run credits and get out 4141 02:59:45,899 --> 02:59:43,989 of here I want to remind everybody it's 4142 02:59:48,689 --> 02:59:45,909 very simple you need to go to Isaac's 4143 02:59:52,290 --> 02:59:48,699 YouTube channel and just head to Isaac 4144 02:59:55,229 --> 02:59:52,300 Arthur dotnet and right now you have 4145 02:59:57,710 --> 02:59:55,239 nothing to do the best thing for you to 4146 03:00:01,099 --> 02:59:57,720 do is get your learn on go 4147 03:00:03,620 --> 03:00:01,109 Isaac Arthur dotnet and his YouTube 4148 03:00:06,710 --> 03:00:03,630 channel which is one of the best it is 4149 03:00:08,540 --> 03:00:06,720 the reason to have the Internet is right 4150 03:00:11,269 --> 03:00:08,550 there for you and if you need to go and 4151 03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:11,279 search for it it's called a science and 4152 03:00:15,860 --> 03:00:13,770 futurism with Isaac Arthur right there 4153 03:00:17,450 --> 03:00:15,870 on YouTube with that I'm gonna get out 4154 03:00:20,090 --> 03:00:17,460 of here I want to remind everybody 4155 03:00:23,630 --> 03:00:20,100 what's going on tomorrow right here 4156 03:00:25,910 --> 03:00:23,640 dr. Manu say is Vinay is here we're 4157 03:00:29,150 --> 03:00:25,920 gonna be talking about lost history and 4158 03:00:32,179 --> 03:00:29,160 the ancient technology of the Egyptians 4159 03:00:33,950 --> 03:00:32,189 the who what when where and why who 4160 03:00:36,769 --> 03:00:33,960 built the pyramids we're gonna do all of 4161 03:00:38,840 --> 03:00:36,779 that tomorrow night I am your host Jimmy 4162 03:00:41,059 --> 03:00:38,850 Church fade to black executive producer 4163 03:00:42,860 --> 03:00:41,069 is Riddick Murray on shows produced by 4164 03:00:44,719 --> 03:00:42,870 Hill J palm Renee Dennis and Kevin 4165 03:00:47,420 --> 03:00:44,729 announcers are Steve Carter Jean Patou 4166 03:00:50,510 --> 03:00:47,430 mrdiko bar webmaster is drew the geek 4167 03:00:53,389 --> 03:00:50,520 music doug aldrich intro space voice 4168 03:00:55,420 --> 03:00:53,399 bass boy music calm fade to black is 4169 03:00:59,090 --> 03:00:55,430 produced by kjsurya productions 4170 03:01:01,610 --> 03:00:59,100 indication as kg ra the planet this 4171 03:01:03,440 --> 03:01:01,620 podcast on the copyright of 2020 by paid 4172 03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:03,450 to black in the game changer network inc 4173 03:01:07,460 --> 03:01:06,000 it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded 4174 03:01:09,559 --> 03:01:07,470 copied or used anywhere in the known 4175 03:01:11,360 --> 03:01:09,569 universe without written permission from 4176 03:01:13,370 --> 03:01:11,370 beta block of the game changing over 4177 03:01:15,229 --> 03:01:13,380 time use to be Church very special 4178 03:01:17,389 --> 03:01:15,239 thanks to Isaac Arthur I'll see 4179 03:01:18,400 --> 03:01:17,399 everybody tomorrow night until then be 4180 03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:18,410 safe